On 23.02.2013, at 15:14, "David T. Lewis" <lewis at mail.msen.com> wrote:

> On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 12:33:14AM -0800, Colin Putney wrote:
>> On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 10:12 PM, tim Rowledge <tim at rowledge.org> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> No ceremony at all worries me. Call me Captain Slow (cf James May) but I
>>> like procedures. They're recipes for maintaining sanity over time.
>>> 
>> 
>> Well, it's not quite "no ceremony," we're aiming for "no more ceremony than
>> necessary." Here's the description of the way it's supposed to work now:
>> 
>> http://squeakboard.wordpress.com/2009/07/02/a-new-community-development-model/
> 
> This is really a key point. It did not seem like a big thing at the time,
> but with the benefit of hindsight I now think of the Andreas' community
> development model as perhaps his most important contribution to Squeak.
> I go back and reread his posting from time to time, along with the back
> to the future paper (http://ftp.squeak.org/docs/OOPSLA.Squeak.html) just
> to remind myself of the basics.

+1

> That said, I think that Mantis also plays an important role. Basically it
> is there for issues that cannot be quickly resolved on the mailing list,
> or that require some longer term collective memory for the community.
> 
> I honestly thought our Mantis system had pretty well died off a few years
> ago, but I kept on using it to record various VMMaker issues that could
> not be immediately resolved. There are issues like this that for various
> reasons may require years to bring to conclusion, and it is also helpful
> to have a record of those issues beyond what is found in email postings
> and Monticello commit comments.
> 
> A good example of such an issue that was just recently updated is this one:
> 
>  http://bugs.squeak.org/view.php?id=6828
> 
> And an even better example is this one, which was not very important
> at the time the issue was logged, but which will be very important
> a few years later as the various VMs move to 64-bit platforms:
> 
>  http://bugs.squeak.org/view.php?id=7237


Mantis might appear less dead if reports/changes got posted to squeak-dev. Thoughts?

- Bert -