> From: squeak-dev-bounces at lists.squeakfoundation.org [mailto:squeak-dev-
> bounces at lists.squeakfoundation.org] On Behalf Of Bert Freudenberg
> Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2013 10:48 AM
> 
> 
> On 23.02.2013, at 15:14, "David T. Lewis" <lewis at mail.msen.com> wrote:
> 
> > On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 12:33:14AM -0800, Colin Putney wrote:
> >> On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 10:12 PM, tim Rowledge <tim at rowledge.org>
wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>> No ceremony at all worries me. Call me Captain Slow (cf James May)
> >>> but I like procedures. They're recipes for maintaining sanity over
time.
> >>>
> >>
> >> Well, it's not quite "no ceremony," we're aiming for "no more
> >> ceremony than necessary." Here's the description of the way it's
supposed to
> work now:
> >>
> >> http://squeakboard.wordpress.com/2009/07/02/a-new-community-
> developme
> >> nt-model/
> >
> > This is really a key point. It did not seem like a big thing at the
> > time, but with the benefit of hindsight I now think of the Andreas'
> > community development model as perhaps his most important contribution
to
> Squeak.
> > I go back and reread his posting from time to time, along with the
> > back to the future paper
> > (http://ftp.squeak.org/docs/OOPSLA.Squeak.html) just to remind myself of
the
> basics.
> 
> +1
> 
> > That said, I think that Mantis also plays an important role. Basically
> > it is there for issues that cannot be quickly resolved on the mailing
> > list, or that require some longer term collective memory for the
community.
> >
> > I honestly thought our Mantis system had pretty well died off a few
> > years ago, but I kept on using it to record various VMMaker issues
> > that could not be immediately resolved. There are issues like this
> > that for various reasons may require years to bring to conclusion, and
> > it is also helpful to have a record of those issues beyond what is
> > found in email postings and Monticello commit comments.
> >
> > A good example of such an issue that was just recently updated is this
one:
> >
> >  http://bugs.squeak.org/view.php?id=6828
> >
> > And an even better example is this one, which was not very important
> > at the time the issue was logged, but which will be very important a
> > few years later as the various VMs move to 64-bit platforms:
> >
> >  http://bugs.squeak.org/view.php?id=7237
> 
> 
> Mantis might appear less dead if reports/changes got posted to squeak-dev.
> Thoughts?

I think it would make sense to send everything but with a [Mantis] tag in
the subject, that way someone could easily filter the emails if they wanted
to.  There were some conversations that I had that would have benefited from
being on squeak-dev.  We don't want to encourage everyone to join the
conversation on mantis, but having side conversations on what is best on
squeak-dev would be good.

Ron

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> - Bert -
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