[squeak-dev] Re: [Pharo-dev] [gsoc-mentors] The truth on GSOC,
ESUG and bad attitude
Stéphane Ducasse
stephane.ducasse at inria.fr
Mon Feb 10 10:08:34 UTC 2014
> Phil,
>
> This matter is actually very important for Smalltalk community, because
> it exposes nontransparent, meddling behind the scenes, and in some cases
> blatantly unethical behavior of some ESUG board members. Which is
> certainly bad for our community on long term.
Janko CAN YOU STOP!
"blatantly unethical behavior”
Really
Stef
>
> Such matters need to be clarified and some conclusions to be made for a
> community to preserve health and go on. Otherwise you are drowning into
> murky waters more and more.
>
> Best regards
> Janko
>
> Dne 10. 02. 2014 09:12, piše phil at highoctane.be:
>> Guys,
>>
>> From the outside it just looks like a couple of spoiled kids battling in
>> the kindergarten.
>>
>> All of this is not moving Smalltalk and Pharo any single bit forward.
>> Backwards, there is a fair chance.
>>
>> Now, could you take this discussion elsewhere? Pick up a phone and talk.
>>
>> Who cares if anyone is right? Oh yeah, EUR 4K, what a huge amount to
>> fight over for an European org... (rolleyes).
>>
>> Phil
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 8:29 AM, Luc Fabresse <luc.fabresse at gmail.com
>> <mailto:luc.fabresse at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Janko,
>>
>> I do not have all numbers at hand now but in 2013 there were 4
>> extra-GSOC but we paid only 3 because one student gave
>> up (Jean-Baptiste Beuzelin).
>> So yes you are probably right that it remains money if we integrate
>> last year BUT we were willing to spend it.
>>
>> Luc
>>
>>
>> 2014-02-09 Janko Mivšek <janko.mivsek at eranova.si
>> <mailto:janko.mivsek at eranova.si>>:
>>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> First to Luc: from your numbers it is clear that you are not to be
>> blamed on anything, because you were obviously misinformed and
>> misguided.
>>
>> Facts namely are:
>>
>> 1. GSoC mentors decided to pay extra stipendiums 3000 USD [1] while
>> ESUG without approval paid 2000 more, 5000 USD, without any
>> report
>> back to GSoC mentors,
>>
>> 2. GSoC mentors decided to add past GSoC2012 amount to the pool for
>> paying extra projects [2][3].
>>
>> Calculation (without the Summit expenses) therefore is:
>>
>> Income: GSoC 2012 13x 500 = 6.500 USD
>> GSoC 2013 13x 500 = 6.500 USD
>> ------------------------------
>> 13.000 USD
>>
>> Expenses:
>> Extra stipendiums: 3x 3.000 = 9.000 USD
>>
>> Difference: + 4.000 USD
>>
>> If ESUG would follow the decisions of GSoC mentors it wouldn't
>> loose any
>> money but gain 4.000 USD.
>>
>> Those that misinformed and misguided you needs therefore to
>> apologize to
>> you Luc, to the GSoC mentors and to me as admin!
>>
>> Janko
>>
>> [1]
>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/smalltalk-gsoc-mentors/Yrlj8dIgGPg
>> [2]
>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/smalltalk-gsoc-mentors/WwnxpkXzAB8
>> [3]
>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/smalltalk-gsoc-mentors/tR44jdPT5Hw
>>
>>
>> Dne 09. 02. 2014 17:26, piše Luc Fabresse:
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> ------------
>>> FACTS
>>>
>>> As you all know, I am the ESUG treasurer.
>>> So please find the numbers attached for the ESUG support of GSOC
>>> projects in 2013.
>>>
>>> ESUG sponsored 3 "extra-GSOC" meaning extra slots not accepted
>> by Google.
>>> In the file it is: Alejandro Infante, Pablo Estefo and
>> Benjamin Arezki.
>>>
>>> All in all we paid:
>>> - 3695EUR (~5000USD at that time i.e. same cost as a regular
>> GSOC) each
>>> projects
>>> - Serge trip to Mentor summit
>>>
>>> And we received 5552EUR from Google
>>>
>>> so yes we lost ~6582EUR
>>> That is easy 13*500 USD would only cover 1 plain extra-Gsoc and we
>>> sponsorized 3.
>>>
>>> I also think that it is important to send someone to the GSoc
>> mentor
>>> summit because it participates to the fact that Google
>> recognizes ESUG
>>> ang gives slots the next year.
>>>
>>> It is alos important to note dates.
>>> ESUG paid first and then has been refund by Google.
>>> It would not be possible to do it without ESUG.
>>>
>>> ------------
>>> FROM HERE, MY POINT OF VIEW ON THIS STORY:
>>>
>>> As some of you know, I doing the ESUG treasury stuff on my
>> *own* time
>>> and it takes a lot!
>>> I am doing it because I strongly believe that Smalltalk (all
>> falvors!)
>>> is a really great language that should be more widespread.
>>>
>>> I also completely open to discussions.
>>> The ESUG board can also explain its actions and even money status.
>>> I can do errors too.
>>> So if Janko wants some details on GSOC related money, JUST ASK!
>>>
>>> I cannot admit that:
>>>
>>> - Janko wrote about some money accusation. This is directly
>> directed
>>> against the treasurer so me.
>>> And honestly, just reading again that I am biased and that I
>> hide or
>>> steal money make me think that I should better quit.
>>>
>>> - Janko asked for apologies! what is that? even if I would
>> have done a
>>> mistake (and ESUG did not loose money), YOU STILL MUST THANK
>> ME for
>>> DOING THIS BORING TASK! and then I can correct mistakes if any
>>>
>>> - People wants an answer fast, this conversation started
>> yesterday and I
>>> am spending my week-end with my kids
>>>
>>>
>>> I am really fed up with this kind of attitude.
>>> Stop accuse, better ask, discuss and we will solve the
>> problems together
>>> if any.
>>> But I think it will never happen...
>>>
>>> #Luc
>>> The disgusted Treasurer of ESUG who will finish his week-end
>> in bad mood
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Janko Mivšek
>> Smalltalk GSoC Admin Team
>>
>>
>>
>
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> Janko Mivšek
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