I had to reconceptualize how substitutions worked in Pharo, while 
learning Fuel, as it has been awhile since I played with that 
serialization. I recently came back to smalltalk after years. My real 
goal is mobile code so it can run where it has most affinity, even 
though that's not yet known. Enter sanguinity.

This is great news and I am excited by the potential to see Squeak and 
Pharo talking to each other.

cheers,
Robert

On 12/04/2015 11:41 AM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
> I think that either Max or Martin did the Spur needed changes for Fuel.
> So likely it should be easy to make it work in latest Squeak.
>
> On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 12:57 PM, Robert Withers 
> <robert.w.withers at gmail.com <mailto:robert.w.withers at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     Now I think you are right on with your observation. Additionally,
>     the number of dialects could increase further with Fuel
>     serialization, just port SecureSession and bits.
>
>     Alright, I came up with a name and it may border on the egregious
>     ... presenting ...
>
>     "Maelstrom"
>
>     A new distributed metric will be established in Maelstrom to
>     measure intra- & inter-vat activity: "Sanguinity".
>
>     Robert
>
>     PS. thanks for pointing out Fuel support for older squeaks.
>
>
>     On 12/04/2015 10:25 AM, Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote:
>
>         Another suggestion: if you intend to make something cross
>         dialect and hope to get traction, I would not use a project
>         name which contains one dialect, but something more general
>         like Cryptography, or some cool project name, like Seaside,
>         Fuel, ...
>
>             On 04 Dec 2015, at 15:43, Robert Withers
>             <robert.w.withers at gmail.com
>             <mailto:robert.w.withers at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>             I use squeak 5.0 and would want the Fuel support to
>             customize for wire serializations and substitutions, such
>             that Squeak and Pharo could talk to each other, and all
>             other Fuel environments. The Fuel changes I made are in
>             the Pharo port of SqueakElib in the
>             SqueakElib-CapTP-Serialization category and consist of a
>             Decoder, Materializer and a Materialization.
>
>             Robert
>
>             On 12/04/2015 09:35 AM, Esteban Lorenzano wrote:
>
>                 which squeak version?
>                 of what?
>
>                     On 04 Dec 2015, at 12:15, Robert Withers
>                     <robert.w.withers at gmail.com
>                     <mailto:robert.w.withers at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>                     I just realized that the squeak version uses
>                     ReferenceStream while the Pharo version uses Fuel,
>                     so the binary serializations are different and
>                     they won't speak to each other. Any chance that
>                     Fuel is ported to Squeak?
>
>                     Regards,
>                     Robert
>
>                     On 12/04/2015 06:11 AM, Robert Withers wrote:
>
>                         I am unable to import these files into
>                         SqueakSource, so it may be best done from
>                         inside Pharo with Monticello. Here are working
>                         Crypto and SqueakElib in Pharo, prior to
>                         SecureSession refactoring and Reed Solomon. I
>                         include the correct version of LayeredProtocol.
>
>                         Regards,
>                         Robert
>
>
>                         On 12/04/2015 05:47 AM, Robert Withers wrote:
>
>                             Best Regards
>
>                             http://www.squeaksource.com/Cryptography.html
>                             http://www.squeaksource.com/squeakelib.html
>
>
>                             On 12/04/2015 05:44 AM, Robert Withers wrote:
>
>                                 After my password reset on
>                                 squeaksource, I committed to both
>                                 Cryptography and SqueakElib, project
>                                 links below.
>
>                                 In the case of Cryptography, I had a
>                                 version ported to Pharo ... I will
>                                 organize Pharo ports of both after
>                                 Reed Solomon is stable, and announce
>                                 them to the Pharo list. This way both
>                                 environments can be supported through
>                                 this one repository.
>
>                                 Robert
>
>                                 On 12/04/2015 04:35 AM, Stephan
>                                 Eggermont wrote:
>
>                                     On 03-12-15 23:06, Robert Withers
>                                     wrote:
>
>                                         Are any of these used by both
>                                         squeak and Pharo? That would
>                                         be the right
>                                         move I think. I will ask about
>                                         getting my password reset for
>                                         squeaksource, since that is
>                                         where the old code resides.
>
>                                     All of them. Mostly timing of
>                                     project start/high activity and
>                                     who are
>                                     maintaining it decided on
>                                     platforms. There was a time when
>                                     squeaksource was not so stable and
>                                     then many projects migrated, and I
>                                     currently hear least about
>                                     stability issues from ss3, but the
>                                     load on smalltalkhub is much
>                                     higher, I assume, as that is used
>                                     for the pharo ci.
>
>                                     In the not so far future Pharo is
>                                     likely to move to a git based
>                                     infrastructure, using libgit2.
>                                     Early adopters are already using it.
>                                     I haven't heard the squeak ideas
>                                     about that.
>
>                                     Stephan
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -- 
> Mariano
> http://marianopeck.wordpress.com
>
>

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