> On 30.07.2017, at 11:02, Jakob Reschke <jakob.reschke at student.hpi.de> wrote:
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> Simple "solution" to editing: treat (encoded) Strings as immutable.
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> For editing/stringbuilding, use a WideString or a special kind of stream (MultiByteBinaryOrTextStream or how is it called) plus additional support for inserting in the middle if desired. I remember somebody proposing Ropes when discussing a reformation of strings previously. Could be interesting at "edit-time".
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> For (in-memory) storage, encoded Strings should maybe just be ByteArrays paired with some TextConverter-like thing or at least a spec of the encoding so you can fetch Characters or configure streams from it on demand.
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> If licensing permits it one could also have a look at how the OpenJDK deals with UTF-16 in StringBuilder.
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While I agree in principle, don't come near me with utf16 ;)

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> Am 30.07.2017 03:20 schrieb "tim Rowledge" <tim at rowledge.org>:
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> > On 29-07-2017, at 12:48 PM, Nicolas Cellier <nicolas.cellier.aka.nice at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Absolutely,
> > to me a String is a sequence of characters.
> > squeakToUtf8 is a hack that makes us consider a String as a sequence of codePoints whose encoding is in the eye of the beholder (or implicitly in the Context - the Smalltalk one).
> > I's not very object oriented and quite fragile.
> > We started to clean Multilingual but never finished the job…
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> Yes, that’s pretty much how I see it. Currently the utf8 ‘string’ is just kept as a byte string and the user is expected to understand that it is in a rather dangerous state.
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> > It's difficult to finish it, because we value backward compatibility.
> > So maybe the ByteArray change was a bit radical with this respect.
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> Backward compatibility can sometimes drive you to loud swearing!
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> Maybe a new message to return the bytearray of the uft8 data could be added, leaving the old one alone. We should probably consider making an actual UTF8String class, though I did try to work out the best thing to do for that several years ago for NuScratch and got lost in the tangles. Editing the damn things is a pain, to say the leat, so you get to thinking about having the canonical string as an instvar and a byte array and edits work on the String which gets converted at the end of the edit to update bytearray. Or the other way around… or… aaargh!
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> tim
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