[squeak-dev] All-In-One distribution (was: Changing the Trunk version from 6.0alpha to 5.2alpha)

Eliot Miranda eliot.miranda at gmail.com
Wed Jun 6 18:19:37 UTC 2018


Hi Louis, Hi All,

    can we please move these discussions to another thread?  The All-in-One
thread is very important in its own right.

On Wed, Jun 6, 2018 at 9:35 AM, Louis LaBrunda <Lou at keystone-software.com>
wrote:

> Hi Edwin,
>
> I develop with VA, have made a few personal programs with Squeak and have
> no experience with
> Gemstone.
>
> If you use Seaside to develop web apps (I have done some with both VA and
> Squeak), I think they
> will look much the same.
>
> I think you can do some nice looking GUIs with Squeak but they will look
> like Squeak programs.
> VA uses the underling OS to draw its GUI stuff, so on Windows, they look
> like most Windows
> programs and on Linux, they look like Linux programs.
>
> Depending upon what you want your application to do, there may be things
> in one of these
> Smalltalks that makes it easier that the others.
>
> As you know Squeak is free.  VA and Gemstone are not although they may
> offer something free for
> personal use, I'm not sure.
>
> Lou
>
>
> On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 17:11:12 +0200, Edwin Ancaer <eancaer at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Hello guys,
> >
> >Now I am not counting on making massive amounts of money with Squeak, but
> I
> >would like to know if someone with a good knowledge of Squeak environment,
> >could arrive at applications that can relatively stand the comparison
> >(taking into account that Squeak is open source) with applications
> >developed  with VA Smalltalk or Gemstone.
> >
> >I can imagine Squeak suffering a bit on the UI-part, but would there be
> >much difference in supported functionalities, you think?
> >
> >All applications are for personnal use, and as good looking an interface
> >can be, I attach more importance to the usability of my applications
> >anyway. Of course if one can get both....
> >
> >
> >Kind regards,
> >
> >Edwin Ancaer
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Op wo 6 jun. 2018 15:42 schreef Louis LaBrunda <Lou at keystone-software.com
> >:
> >
> >> Hi Germán,
> >>
> >> Just an FYI, and not to knock Squeak or Pharo you might take a look at
> >> VA Smalltalk http://www.instantiations.com or GemStoneS
> >> https://gemtalksystems.com.  May people
> >> use them to develop business and web applications with them.
> >>
> >> Lou
> >>
> >>
> >> >Hi Dave:
> >> >
> >> >I enjoyed a lot smalltalk and its communities but I failed thinking
> that I
> >> >could make a living with it. Might be my lack of talent but other
> people
> >> >with an infinite more capability than me failed at same way and my
> >> >stubbornness for use Smalltalk in my business only made me lost lot of
> >> time
> >> >and money.
> >> >
> >> >Of course I miss the technical purity of Smalltalk and objects
> everywhere,
> >> >but it is not viable, in my pov, to develop massive business
> applications,
> >> >neither web, nor desktop and much less mobile.
> >> >
> >> >Just my opinion.
> >> >
> >> >Saludos / Regards,
> >> >Germán Arduino
> >> >@garduino
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >2018-06-01 23:39 GMT-03:00 David T. Lewis <lewis at mail.msen.com>:
> >> >
> >> >> On Fri, Jun 01, 2018 at 01:01:31PM -0300, Germ??n Arduino wrote:
> >> >> > 2018-06-01 9:33 GMT-03:00 David T. Lewis <lewis at mail.msen.com>:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > > On Fri, Jun 01, 2018 at 12:50:08AM -0700, John Pfersich wrote:
> >> >> > > > Smalltalk is a hobby; I haven???t had an offer for Smalltalk
> work
> >> >> since
> >> >> > > 2005.
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > >> As with you, Smalltalk is a hobby for me.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I should have realized this before and then I would not have
> wasted 20
> >> >> > years with Smalltalk, who barely bought me a cup or two of tea :(
> >> >>
> >> >> You should think twice about this. If you thought that Smalltalk was
> >> going
> >> >> to make you rich, then you are probably a sad and disappointed
> person.
> >> If
> >> >> you thought that Smalltalk might be a tool to help you think clearly
> and
> >> >> explore new ideas, then you may be a happy and satisfied person.
> >> >>
> >> >> I don't know if anyone will ever make any money by being happy and
> >> >> satisfied,
> >> >> but I can say that in my own experience that the learning that I have
> >> done
> >> >> with Squeak has been a big part of enabling me to make a decent
> income
> >> in
> >> >> the last 10 or 15 years of my professional life.
> >> >>
> >> >> To put it in more concrete terms: I do systems integration work for a
> >> >> manufacturing company, and this involves (among other things) some
> >> custom
> >> >> software development (not Squeak, not Smalltalk). I am good at what I
> >> >> do, and I get paid for it. A significant part of the "I am good at
> what
> >> >> I do" aspect is attributable to Squeak, or more specifically the
> >> learning
> >> >> that I have derived from Squeak.
> >> >>
> >> >> So I am a happy "hobby" Smalltalker. I make zero income from Squeak,
> >> but I
> >> >> can honestly tell you that a good deal of my actual professional
> income
> >> >> is supported by my hobby.
> >> >>
> >> >> YMMV,
> >> >>
> >> >> Dave
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> --
> >> Louis LaBrunda
> >> Keystone Software Corp.
> >> SkypeMe callto://PhotonDemon
> >>
> >>
> >>
> --
> Louis LaBrunda
> Keystone Software Corp.
> SkypeMe callto://PhotonDemon
>
>
>


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