On 5/31/18, John Pfersich <smalltalker2 at mac.com> wrote:
> I think the AIO causes more problems than it’s worth. Does it work in
> Windows better than it does in Mac OS and Linux? I hope so, because it only
> works for rank beginners on the latter platforms.

This is the question of the target user group.

As Bert mentions Etoys-to-go on a pen drive (use your environment in
school, e.g. Mac and at home Windows-PC) _is_ an issue. But as I just
write in the previous mail probably it has to be put on the
back-burner at the moment ....

The user group of "beginners" is also the one which is the largest
group of users!

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>> On May 30, 2018, at 07:59, Tobias Pape <Das.Linux at gmx.de> wrote:
>>
>> HI
>>
>>>> On 30.05.2018, at 15:30, H. Hirzel <hannes.hirzel at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Chris Muller
>>>> Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 3:14 AM
>>>
>>>> AIO provides a compact example file of everything needed to deploy an
>>>> application on each of the top platforms.  For no more than its
>>>> instructional value, it is something worth keeping, IMO.
>>>
>>>
>>> The AIO _is_ the application. Good to run off a pen drive as well in a
>>> platform independent way.
>>>
>>> It does not need to be built regularily.
>>> Just for the release is fine.
>>
>>
>> But the AIO is impractical.
>> Eg, for OSX we _must_ force users now to _move_ the .app bundle before
>> starting it the first time, else things just do not work. The only viable
>> Way I see for that is building read-only disk images, so that people must
>> move the app.
>>
>> However, nobody else can use DMGs, so we have two things already:
>> - ZIP
>> - DMG
>>
>> And now that snaps (https://snapcraft.io/) enter the stage for linux, we
>> have at least to _consider_ that, too.
>>
>> And when signing comes into play, this is getting too complex for me.
>>
>> I completely the understand the desirability of a portable app, but given
>> we;re not a near-stateless browser and given our "workforce", I don't see
>> this happen reliably in the forthcoming time.
>>
>> Best regards
>>    -Tobias
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>> On 5/30/18, David T. Lewis <lewis at mail.msen.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 07:22:28AM +0200, Tobias Pape wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 30.05.2018, at 01:40, Edgar De Cleene <edgardec2005 at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 29 May 2018, at 15:42, karl ramberg <karlramberg at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Making it easier to find and download new VM builds should be a
>>>>>>> priority.
>>>>>>> It's quite hard to find a recent VM following links from squeak.org
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> This scared beginners
>>>>>> All in one should have the most stable and recent
>>>>>
>>>>> Let's face it: the All-in-ones are dead.
>>>>> Apple makes it harder than ever and for linux we should have start
>>>>> building platform packages long ago.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> This topic deserves a new subject line, and it would be great to get
>>>> some
>>>> more input regarding who prefers using the All-In-One distribution for
>>>> regular use, versus other approaches for organizing their image and VM.
>>>>
>>>> My personal view is that the All-In-One is a valuable enhancement to
>>>> the basic image and VM downloads. I do not think that it is practical
>>>> to maintain it as the primary release artifact, but I do think that we
>>>> should provide it, as best we can, in addition to the primary image and
>>>> VM release downloads.
>>>>
>>>> Dave
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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