[squeak-dev] All-In-One distribution (was: Changing the Trunk version from 6.0alpha to 5.2alpha)

H. Hirzel hannes.hirzel at gmail.com
Thu May 31 08:57:02 UTC 2018


John, I agree with you.

Before thinking about a All-In-One which might cover the Mac as well

there needs to be an stand-alone installation package for 5.2 (VM,
sources, changes, image)

for the Mac which actually runs ......

H.

On 5/31/18, John Pfersich <smalltalker2 at mac.com> wrote:
> Well, at least on Mac OS, the fact that Squeak doesn’t work right off the
> bat is probably a turnoff for most users, especially since there don’t seem
> to be any instructions on what to after you get this (I just tested this):
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> I mean, it's a 32 bit app (running on Mac OS 10.13.4) and you can't save the
> image. What good is it? It's worse than non-functional. It seems to me that
> a lot of people would just give up on it. I'm still running 4.6 because at
> least it works on Mac OS without having to screw around, trying to figure
> out what does work. And doing things not related to programming is what the
> small Squeak community obviously wants beginners to do. If Squeak was a so
> hard to use back in 2000, I would have abandoned it immediately.
>
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> On May 31, 2018, at 12:24 AM, "H. Hirzel" <hannes.hirzel at gmail.com> wrote:
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> On 5/31/18, John Pfersich <smalltalker2 at mac.com> wrote:
> I think the AIO causes more problems than it’s worth. Does it work in
> Windows better than it does in Mac OS and Linux? I hope so, because it only
> works for rank beginners on the latter platforms.
>
> This is the question of the target user group.
>
> As Bert mentions Etoys-to-go on a pen drive (use your environment in
> school, e.g. Mac and at home Windows-PC) _is_ an issue. But as I just
> write in the previous mail probably it has to be put on the
> back-burner at the moment ....
>
> The user group of "beginners" is also the one which is the largest
> group of users!
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> On May 30, 2018, at 07:59, Tobias Pape <Das.Linux at gmx.de> wrote:
>
> HI
>
> On 30.05.2018, at 15:30, H. Hirzel <hannes.hirzel at gmail.com> wrote:
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> Chris Muller
> Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 3:14 AM
>
> AIO provides a compact example file of everything needed to deploy an
> application on each of the top platforms. For no more than its
> instructional value, it is something worth keeping, IMO.
>
>
> The AIO _is_ the application. Good to run off a pen drive as well in a
> platform independent way.
>
> It does not need to be built regularily.
> Just for the release is fine.
>
>
> But the AIO is impractical.
> Eg, for OSX we _must_ force users now to _move_ the .app bundle before
> starting it the first time, else things just do not work. The only viable
> Way I see for that is building read-only disk images, so that people must
> move the app.
>
> However, nobody else can use DMGs, so we have two things already:
> - ZIP
> - DMG
>
> And now that snaps (https://snapcraft.io/) enter the stage for linux, we
> have at least to _consider_ that, too.
>
> And when signing comes into play, this is getting too complex for me.
>
> I completely the understand the desirability of a portable app, but given
> we;re not a near-stateless browser and given our "workforce", I don't see
> this happen reliably in the forthcoming time.
>
> Best regards
> -Tobias
>
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> On 5/30/18, David T. Lewis <lewis at mail.msen.com> wrote:
> On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 07:22:28AM +0200, Tobias Pape wrote:
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> On 30.05.2018, at 01:40, Edgar De Cleene <edgardec2005 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
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> On 29 May 2018, at 15:42, karl ramberg <karlramberg at gmail.com> wrote:
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> Making it easier to find and download new VM builds should be a
> priority.
> It's quite hard to find a recent VM following links from squeak.org
>
> This scared beginners
> All in one should have the most stable and recent
>
> Let's face it: the All-in-ones are dead.
> Apple makes it harder than ever and for linux we should have start
> building platform packages long ago.
>
>
> This topic deserves a new subject line, and it would be great to get
> some
> more input regarding who prefers using the All-In-One distribution for
> regular use, versus other approaches for organizing their image and VM.
>
> My personal view is that the All-In-One is a valuable enhancement to
> the basic image and VM downloads. I do not think that it is practical
> to maintain it as the primary release artifact, but I do think that we
> should provide it, as best we can, in addition to the primary image and
> VM release downloads.
>
> Dave
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