[squeak-dev] WG: Your message to Beginners awaits moderator approval

Bert Freudenberg bert at freudenbergs.de
Fri Jan 17 18:06:58 UTC 2020

We raised the limit on squeak-dev a while ago, we will raise the limit on
beginners (this probably was just an oversight).

That being said, I can see no reason why you would have to attach a
fullscreen snapshot, instead of snapshotting the relevant part of your
screen. Similarly, a 3-second small-window screen cast to explain
something is reasonable to just paste into an email, but for a full-length
hi-res video you really should send a link instead.

- Bert -

On Fri, Jan 17, 2020 at 9:48 AM Thiede, Christoph <
Christoph.Thiede at student.hpi.uni-potsdam.de> wrote:

> Hi John,
> it is just annoying that I cannot send usual screenshots over the list.
> It's not the first time I collided with this limit when trying to send an
> on-topic message to the list.
> I admit the request for 500 MB was way too high, but to make this
> discussion more fact-based, I made some tests:
> A usual fullscreen screenshot on a high-DPI monitor, stored as PNG file,
> can cost up to 3 MB.
> Sometimes we even have animated gifs on this list, Marcel sent one
> recently to demonstrate a bug, and I valuate this possibility, too. A small
> animated gif (500 x 400 px) can also cost up to 5 MB.
> The mail that has been rejected yesterday contains a detailed step-by-step
> description with 7 screenshots (however, they only show each one window, so
> they are much smaller).
> Don't we want such detailed content on the list? At the moment, I would
> need to upload the images to an external hoster, which is much more
> time-consuming for both writers and readers.
> With respect to these values, I think that 10 or at least 5 MB could be a
> good compromise.
> I believe in the phrase "one picture says more than thousand words". And
> even if it only said just as much, it would still be easier and faster to
> understand.
> @Dave, I still do not understand what is your problem with graphics. Don't
> usual mail clients have a cache for attachment that can clear
> itself automatically? Or are you using a metered connection?
> @Phil: Excessive use of memes or banners may indeed be a matter of flavor.
> But IMHO, first, the current limit cannot hinder anyone from sending this
> kind of content, and second, there are alternative and more effective ways
> of content moderation than attachment limits :)
> Best,
> Christoph
> ------------------------------
> *Von:* Squeak-dev <squeak-dev-bounces at lists.squeakfoundation.org> im
> Auftrag von John-Reed Maffeo <jrmaffeo at gmail.com>
> *Gesendet:* Freitag, 17. Januar 2020 15:57:15
> *An:* The general-purpose Squeak developers list
> *Betreff:* Re: [squeak-dev] WG: Your message to Beginners awaits
> moderator approval
> What is the use case for enabling large email messages on the Beginners
> List? Is the list less effective because of the current limit? Are we
> discussing images/content other than screen shots? Have any alternatives
> been explored? I would like to see a rational argument for the proposal
> before I decide if I support it.
> -jrm
> On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 8:17 AM Thiede, Christoph <
> Christoph.Thiede at student.hpi.uni-potsdam.de> wrote:
>> Folks, it would be really nice if we could get rid of these annoying
>> restrictions (see below). A few megabytes really shouldn't matter in
>> 2020. It just feels ancient and antiquated ...
>> Couldn't someone increase this limit up to, let's say, 500 MB or at least
>> 50 MB? When someone uses a metered connection, most email clients offer an
>> option to disable automatical attachment downloading ...
>> Best,
>> Christoph
>> ------------------------------
>> *Von:* Beginners <beginners-bounces at lists.squeakfoundation.org> im
>> Auftrag von beginners-owner at lists.squeakfoundation.org <
>> beginners-owner at lists.squeakfoundation.org>
>> *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 16. Januar 2020 16:11 Uhr
>> *An:* Thiede, Christoph
>> *Betreff:* Your message to Beginners awaits moderator approval
>> Your mail to 'Beginners' with the subject
>>     AW: [Newbies] code to retrieve all method categories and methods
>> under   a category
>> Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval.
>> The reason it is being held:
>>     Message body is too big: 1038818 bytes with a limit of 100 KB
>> Either the message will get posted to the list, or you will receive
>> notification of the moderator's decision.  If you would like to cancel
>> this posting, please visit the following URL:
>> ...
> --
> John-Reed Maffeo
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