[squeak-dev] WG: Your message to Beginners awaits moderator approval
ron at usmedrec.com
Fri Jan 17 18:18:13 UTC 2020
Agree with Bert. There are many ways to share an image without adding it
to the email!
On Fri, Jan 17, 2020 at 1:06 PM Bert Freudenberg <bert at freudenbergs.de>
> We raised the limit on squeak-dev a while ago, we will raise the limit on
> beginners (this probably was just an oversight).
> That being said, I can see no reason why you would have to attach a
> fullscreen snapshot, instead of snapshotting the relevant part of your
> screen. Similarly, a 3-second small-window screen cast to explain
> something is reasonable to just paste into an email, but for a full-length
> hi-res video you really should send a link instead.
> - Bert -
> On Fri, Jan 17, 2020 at 9:48 AM Thiede, Christoph <
> Christoph.Thiede at student.hpi.uni-potsdam.de> wrote:
>> Hi John,
>> it is just annoying that I cannot send usual screenshots over the list.
>> It's not the first time I collided with this limit when trying to send an
>> on-topic message to the list.
>> I admit the request for 500 MB was way too high, but to make this
>> discussion more fact-based, I made some tests:
>> A usual fullscreen screenshot on a high-DPI monitor, stored as PNG file,
>> can cost up to 3 MB.
>> Sometimes we even have animated gifs on this list, Marcel sent one
>> recently to demonstrate a bug, and I valuate this possibility, too. A small
>> animated gif (500 x 400 px) can also cost up to 5 MB.
>> The mail that has been rejected yesterday contains a
>> detailed step-by-step description with 7 screenshots (however, they only
>> show each one window, so they are much smaller).
>> Don't we want such detailed content on the list? At the moment, I would
>> need to upload the images to an external hoster, which is much more
>> time-consuming for both writers and readers.
>> With respect to these values, I think that 10 or at least 5 MB could be a
>> good compromise.
>> I believe in the phrase "one picture says more than thousand words". And
>> even if it only said just as much, it would still be easier and faster to
>> @Dave, I still do not understand what is your problem with graphics.
>> Don't usual mail clients have a cache for attachment that can clear
>> itself automatically? Or are you using a metered connection?
>> @Phil: Excessive use of memes or banners may indeed be a matter of
>> flavor. But IMHO, first, the current limit cannot hinder anyone from
>> sending this kind of content, and second, there are alternative and more
>> effective ways of content moderation than attachment limits :)
>> *Von:* Squeak-dev <squeak-dev-bounces at lists.squeakfoundation.org> im
>> Auftrag von John-Reed Maffeo <jrmaffeo at gmail.com>
>> *Gesendet:* Freitag, 17. Januar 2020 15:57:15
>> *An:* The general-purpose Squeak developers list
>> *Betreff:* Re: [squeak-dev] WG: Your message to Beginners awaits
>> moderator approval
>> What is the use case for enabling large email messages on the Beginners
>> List? Is the list less effective because of the current limit? Are we
>> discussing images/content other than screen shots? Have any alternatives
>> been explored? I would like to see a rational argument for the proposal
>> before I decide if I support it.
>> On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 8:17 AM Thiede, Christoph <
>> Christoph.Thiede at student.hpi.uni-potsdam.de> wrote:
>>> Folks, it would be really nice if we could get rid of these annoying
>>> restrictions (see below). A few megabytes really shouldn't matter in
>>> 2020. It just feels ancient and antiquated ...
>>> Couldn't someone increase this limit up to, let's say, 500 MB or at
>>> least 50 MB? When someone uses a metered connection, most email clients
>>> offer an option to disable automatical attachment downloading ...
>>> *Von:* Beginners <beginners-bounces at lists.squeakfoundation.org> im
>>> Auftrag von beginners-owner at lists.squeakfoundation.org <
>>> beginners-owner at lists.squeakfoundation.org>
>>> *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 16. Januar 2020 16:11 Uhr
>>> *An:* Thiede, Christoph
>>> *Betreff:* Your message to Beginners awaits moderator approval
>>> Your mail to 'Beginners' with the subject
>>> AW: [Newbies] code to retrieve all method categories and methods
>>> under a category
>>> Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval.
>>> The reason it is being held:
>>> Message body is too big: 1038818 bytes with a limit of 100 KB
>>> Either the message will get posted to the list, or you will receive
>>> notification of the moderator's decision. If you would like to cancel
>>> this posting, please visit the following URL:
>> John-Reed Maffeo
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