Le ven. 7 mai 2021 à 21:02, Tobias Pape <Das.Linux at gmx.de> a écrit :
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> > On 7. May 2021, at 20:49, Jakob Reschke <jakres+squeak at gmail.com> wrote:
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> > Sounds like a good compromise, although I have no Mac to try how it
> > feels. How does Apple teach this handling to its users, or do they
> > gladly find out by accident?
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> I figured by accident and wrongdoing. Like, try to drag but select, wonder, try differntly, epiphany, never think about it again but use it daily.
> also, newer touchpads have this click-throuhg, that when you click hard enough (like literally) it selects the whole word and brings up a pop up with a definition.
> its neat.
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Hmm, sometimes, this click-through interferes badly: it may become
hard to sustain a low pressure on touchpad.
>From time to time, it would prevent me from carrying my intention to
drag in the finder.
Maybe I should scale the cafeine down, but still ;)

> > How complex would an implementation of
> > such motion- and time-dependent drag handling be?
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> Not the slightest idea.
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> -t
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> > Am Fr., 7. Mai 2021 um 08:30 Uhr schrieb Tobias Pape <Das.Linux at gmx.de>:
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> >> Hi
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> >>> On 7. May 2021, at 07:51, Marcel Taeumel <marcel.taeumel at hpi.de> wrote:
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> >>> Hi Chris.
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> >>>> Hmm, no, I don't think so. Swipe select is very common -- like swiping characters in text, or cells of a spreadsheet
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> >>> Ah, that's right. In the Windows Explorer, there has always been a conflict between click-drag-out gestures and click-drag-select gestures. It is sometimes really hard to intentionally perform one or the other.
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> >> Mac makes the distinction based on how long you wait between the click and the drag, at least for text.
> >> So if you
> >> - have a selection,
> >> - click,
> >> - wait for around a second, and
> >> - then drag,
> >> you will drag the selected text around.
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> >> In all other cases for text, it changes the selection.
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> >> I just found it is similar for files in the Finder (think explorer), but slightly different.
> >> Since files are always in a vertical fashion, _the same as for text_ is true for files as long as you drag _vertically_
> >> I if you click-drag horizontally, it directly drags the file/selection.
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> >> I think this is a quite good tradeoff there.
> >>
> >> Best regards
> >>        -Tobias
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> >>>
> >>> Many touch interfaces opted for having an extra drag handle nearby. Maybe this could work?
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> >>> Best,
> >>> Marcel
> >>>> Am 07.05.2021 02:02:44 schrieb Chris Muller <asqueaker at gmail.com>:
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> >>>> Hi Marcel,
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> >>>>> Hmm... it is unusual that a normal click can also select a range.
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> >>>> Hmm, no, I don't think so. Swipe select is very common -- like
> >>>> swiping characters in text, or cells of a spreadsheet, and
> >>>> "MultiselectList" was (is?) the basis of many browsers in VisualAge Smalltalk.
> >>>> In Squeak it's called PluggableListMorphOfMany (used by changes
> >>>> browser) and it's [Alternate] incantation which doesn't lose
> >>>> selections simply because your framerate is too low..
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> >>>> And, yes, Control was *supposed* to be a modifier key to toggle
> >>>> individuals, but as Jakob pointed out, it's intercepted by the halo.
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> >>>> All the functions Tim mentioned are currently available via the menus.
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> >>>> - Chris
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