Hi,

I believe the unzip and throw away the zip file is controlled by the
Safari preferences under general.

If you uncheck like below then zip files are not touched.

You are normally asked this the first time you download a file with
Safari, so, depending on how many upgrades etc you have done this
could have been years ago.

cheers

bruce

On 2022-07-06T19:35:12.000+02:00, tim Rowledge <tim at rowledge.org>
wrote:

> It looks like quite a bit of this depends on the version of Mac OS; my Safari *doesn't* unzip the AIO download, for example.
> 
> In fact it looks like you have to move the app bundle out of the parent directory for it to work, which seems quite nuts. And if you copy it back, then it keeps working... who ordered that? The obvious problem is that this would seem to make the AIO simply unusable on Mac OS, which is a bit naff.
> 
> In my case, moving the app bundle out of the unzipped parent *into Downloads* makes it work. If I move it back into the Squeak6.0-22104-64bit-All-in-One folder, it keeps working; so it's not simply being in the Downloads tree.
> 
> So, suggested instructions for Mac should probably explain that you have to move the actual app bundle out of the parent Squeak6.0-22104-64bit-All-in-One folder but that you can then move it straight back in to maintain the AIO aspect of the directory. 
> 
> Which is ridiculous. 
> 
>>  On 2022-07-06, at 9:32 AM, Eliot Miranda <eliot.miranda at gmail.com>
>>  wrote:
>>  
>>  On Tue, Jul 5, 2022 at 10:08 PM Tobias Pape <Das.Linux at gmx.de>
>>  wrote:
>>  Hi Eliot
>>  
>>>   On 6. Jul 2022, at 00:24, Eliot Miranda
>>>   <eliot.miranda at gmail.com> wrote:
>>   [...]
>>  
>>>>    I'm not using the DMG. I downloaded the all-in-one, and moved
>>>>    it.
>>  
>>  judging from the path below, yes you moved it, but not _out of_
>>  anything in ~/Downloads ...
>>  
>>  Yes I did. My downloads folder is ~/Downloads.
>>  My Squeak folder is ~/Squeak.
>>  Safari downloaded Squeak6.0-22101-64bit-All-in-One.zip
>>  [http://Squeak6.0-22101-64bit-All-in-One.zip] to Dowenloads,
>>  unpacked it to ~/Downloads/Squeak6, and moved the zip to the trash
>>  folder (~/.Trash)
>>  I moved Squeak6 to Squeak ($ mv ~/Downloads/Squeak6 ~/Squeak) and
>>  ran it there.
>>  
>>  Look, the issue isn't whether I can do the right thing or not. The
>>  issue is that new users on the Mac will download via the website,
>>  likely just as I did, and they will get something that doesn't
>>  work. So instead of telling me what the right thing to do is,
>>  update the Web site so that people going there can do the right
>>  thing.
>>  
>>>   In that case, I really wonder what's going on.
>>>   Can you give me the output of
>>>   
>>>   ls -le@
>>>   Squeak6.0-22101-64bit-All-in-One.app/Contents/MacOS/Squeak
>>>   [http://Squeak6.0-22101-64bit-All-in-One.app/Contents/MacOS/Squeak]
>>>   
>>>   Squeak$ ls -le@
>>>   Squeak6/Squeak6.0-22101-64bit-All-in-One.app/Contents/MacOS/Squeak
>>>   [http://Squeak6.0-22101-64bit-All-in-One.app/Contents/MacOS/Squeak]
>>>   -rwxr-xr-x@ 1 eliot staff 4100688 Jul 4 16:30
>>>   Squeak6/Squeak6.0-22101-64bit-All-in-One.app/Contents/MacOS/Squeak
>>>   [http://Squeak6.0-22101-64bit-All-in-One.app/Contents/MacOS/Squeak]
>>>   com.apple.quarantine [http://com.apple.quarantine] 57
>>  
>>  This quarantine will trip of Translocation
>>  
>>>   Squeak$ ls -le@ Squeak6/Squeak6.0-22101-64bit-All-in-One.app
>>>   [http://Squeak6.0-22101-64bit-All-in-One.app]
>>>   total 0
>>>   drwxr-xr-x@ 10 eliot staff 320 Jul 4 16:32 Contents
>>>   com.apple.quarantine [http://com.apple.quarantine] 57
>>>   
>>>   xattr -l
>>>   Squeak6.0-22101-64bit-All-in-One.app/Contents/MacOS/Squeak
>>>   [http://Squeak6.0-22101-64bit-All-in-One.app/Contents/MacOS/Squeak]
>>>   
>>>   
>>>   Squeak$ xattr -l
>>>   Squeak6/Squeak6.0-22101-64bit-All-in-One.app/Contents/MacOS/Squeak
>>>   [http://Squeak6.0-22101-64bit-All-in-One.app/Contents/MacOS/Squeak]
>>>   com.apple.quarantine [http://com.apple.quarantine]:
>>>   0083;62c487a3;Safari;2D1FCF49-69DA-447C-BA51-16CC663654C4
>>>   
>>>   Squeak$ xattr -l Squeak6/Squeak6.0-22101-64bit-All-in-One.app
>>>   [http://Squeak6.0-22101-64bit-All-in-One.app]
>>>   com.apple.quarantine [http://com.apple.quarantine]:
>>>   0083;62c487a3;Safari;2D1FCF49-69DA-447C-BA51-16CC663654C4 
>>>   
>>>   xattr -l $PATH_OF_THE_DOWNLOADED_THING
>>>   
>>>   xattr -l ~/Downloads/Squeak6
>>>   com.apple.quarantine [http://com.apple.quarantine]:
>>>   0083;62c4b913;Safari;90386985-D5B9-4492-AF0B-766931630126
>>>   
>>>   Squeak$ xattr -l
>>>   ~/Downloads/Squeak6/Squeak6.0-22101-64bit-All-in-One.app
>>>   [http://Squeak6.0-22101-64bit-All-in-One.app]
>>>   com.apple.quarantine [http://com.apple.quarantine]:
>>>   0083;62c4b913;Safari;90386985-D5B9-4492-AF0B-766931630126
>>  
>>  Same.
>>  
>>  Can you please try again:
>>  * unzip
>>  * move the AIO somewhere _not_ below ~/Donwloads a
>>  
>>  and check that xattr or ls -le@ on the binary do not contain the
>>  quarantine?
>>  
>>>   please?
>>>   
>>>>    (this is unavoidable.)
>>>>    
>>>>    Have you got a pointer to the relevant documentation?
>>>   
>>>   Apple is scarce on any usable stuff lately…
>>>   
>>>>    Do I have to duplicate the Squeak6 directory?
>>>   
>>>   you should not, if you moved stuff, macOS should have disabled
>>>   translocation -.-
>>>   
>>>   Lapcatsoftware has old info:
>>>   https://lapcatsoftware.com/articles/app-translocation.html
>>>   
>>>   Here's someone avoiding translocation via some exploit, hence
>>>   not recommendable:
>>>   https://www.synack.com/blog/untranslocating-apps/
>>>   
>>>   Forum says signing the dmg or bundle helps
>>>   (https://developer.apple.com/forums/thread/133743):
>>>   "
>>>   
>>>>    Another solution is to sign the .dmg file too, that should
>>>>    avoid app translocation if I remember correctly.
>>>    Right.
>>>   "
>>>   
>>>   This I can help with. We have to do this for Virtend. We sign
>>>   both the app bundle and the DMG. I guess one can also sign a zip
>>>   for the all-in-one (since one uploads a zip containing either
>>>   the app bundle or the dmg).
>>  
>>  Cool, maybe the signing helps.
>>  But let's first make sure the translocation does not happen when
>>  the fresh bundle is moved out of the "contaminated" location.
>>  
>>  Best regards
>>  -Tobias
>>  
>>>   We probably have to be tighter in stuff, I just found a "howto":
>>>   - https://developer.apple.com/forums/thread/701581#701581021
>>>   - https://developer.apple.com/forums/thread/701514#701514021
>>>   (for signing or so…)
>>>   
>>>   :( yay more work.
>>>   
>>>   I have scripts etc. So LMK
>>>   
>>>   Best regards
>>>   -Tobias
>>>   
>>>   thanks!
>>>   
>>>>    Best regards
>>>>    -Tobias
>>>>    
>>>>>     Best,
>>>>>     Marcel
>>>>>     
>>>>>>      Am 05.07.2022 21:03:47 schrieb Eliot Miranda
>>>>>>      <eliot.miranda at gmail.com>:
>>>>>>      
>>>>>>      Hi all,
>>>>>>      
>>>>>>      apologies for raining on the parade. Here's what I get
>>>>>>      when I either launch the Squeak6 app bundle or drop an
>>>>>>      image on it. How can this be fixed? It's not a good
>>>>>>      default.
>>>>>>      
>>>>>>>       <image.png>
>>>>>>       _,,,^..^,,,_
>>>>>>      best, Eliot
>>  
>>  -- 
>>  _,,,^..^,,,_
>>  best, Eliot
> 
> tim
> --
> tim Rowledge; tim at rowledge.org; http://www.rowledge.org/tim
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