[squeak-dev] [Vm-dev] Squeak 6 on Mac

Herbert König herbertkoenig at gmx.net
Wed Jul 6 20:12:53 UTC 2022


Hi,

not sure

Am 06.07.2022 um 21:55 schrieb Tobias Pape:
> Hi Eliot
>> On 6. Jul 2022, at 18:32, Eliot Miranda <eliot.miranda at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 5, 2022 at 10:08 PM Tobias Pape <Das.Linux at gmx.de> wrote:
>> Hi Eliot
Snip
>> What we can do is:
>> - DO not offer the AIO anymore
I hope this is not meant seriously. Sometimes the AIO is so convenient.
(Not having any Mac but Win/Linux/Arm.)

Cheers,

Herbert
>> - Force users to use the DMG
>> - and somehow force users to move the App out of the DMG
>>    (remember the fancy background images with arrows to indicate you should drag-n-drop the newfangled program to the /Applications folder?)
>>
>> Sorry, Apple seems to hate people that do not stick to the One Workflow™
>>
>> Best regards
>> 	-Tobias
>>
>>
>>> In that case, I really wonder what's going on.
>>> Can you give me the output of
>>>
>>> ls -le@ Squeak6.0-22101-64bit-All-in-One.app/Contents/MacOS/Squeak
>>>
>>> Squeak$ ls -le@ Squeak6/Squeak6.0-22101-64bit-All-in-One.app/Contents/MacOS/Squeak
>>> -rwxr-xr-x@ 1 eliot  staff  4100688 Jul  4 16:30 Squeak6/Squeak6.0-22101-64bit-All-in-One.app/Contents/MacOS/Squeak
>>> com.apple.quarantine      57
>> This quarantine will trip of Translocation
>>
>>> Squeak$ ls -le@ Squeak6/Squeak6.0-22101-64bit-All-in-One.app
>>> total 0
>>> drwxr-xr-x@ 10 eliot  staff  320 Jul  4 16:32 Contents
>>> com.apple.quarantine 57
>>>
>>>
>>> xattr -l Squeak6.0-22101-64bit-All-in-One.app/Contents/MacOS/Squeak
>>>
>>> Squeak$ xattr -l Squeak6/Squeak6.0-22101-64bit-All-in-One.app/Contents/MacOS/Squeak
>>> com.apple.quarantine: 0083;62c487a3;Safari;2D1FCF49-69DA-447C-BA51-16CC663654C4
>>>
>>> Squeak$ xattr -l Squeak6/Squeak6.0-22101-64bit-All-in-One.app
>>> com.apple.quarantine: 0083;62c487a3;Safari;2D1FCF49-69DA-447C-BA51-16CC663654C4
>>>
>>>
>>> xattr -l $PATH_OF_THE_DOWNLOADED_THING
>>>
>>> xattr -l ~/Downloads/Squeak6
>>> com.apple.quarantine: 0083;62c4b913;Safari;90386985-D5B9-4492-AF0B-766931630126
>>>
>>> Squeak$ xattr -l ~/Downloads/Squeak6/Squeak6.0-22101-64bit-All-in-One.app
>>> com.apple.quarantine: 0083;62c4b913;Safari;90386985-D5B9-4492-AF0B-766931630126
>> Same.
>>
>> Can you please try again:
>>   * unzip
>>   * move the AIO somewhere _not_ below ~/Donwloads a
>>
>> and check that xattr or ls -le@ on the binary do not contain the quarantine?
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> please?
>>>
>>>
>>>> (this is unavoidable.)
>>>>
>>>> Have you got a pointer to the relevant documentation?
>>> Apple is scarce on any usable stuff lately…
>>>
>>>
>>>>   Do I have to duplicate the Squeak6 directory?
>>> you should not, if you moved stuff, macOS should have disabled translocation -.-
>>>
>>> Lapcatsoftware has old info:
>>>          https://lapcatsoftware.com/articles/app-translocation.html
>>>
>>> Here's someone avoiding translocation via some exploit, hence not recommendable:
>>>          https://www.synack.com/blog/untranslocating-apps/
>>>
>>> Forum says signing the dmg or bundle helps (https://developer.apple.com/forums/thread/133743):
>>> "
>>>> Another solution is to sign the .dmg file too, that should avoid app translocation if I remember correctly.
>>> Right.
>>> "
>>>
>>> This I can help with.  We have to do this for Virtend.  We sign both the app bundle and the DMG.  I guess one can also sign a zip for the all-in-one (since one uploads a zip containing either the app bundle or the dmg).
>> Cool, maybe the signing helps.
>> But let's first make sure the translocation does not happen when the fresh bundle is moved out of the "contaminated" location.
>>
>> Best regards
>>          -Tobias
>>
>>>
>>> We probably have to be tighter in stuff, I just found a "howto":
>>> - https://developer.apple.com/forums/thread/701581#701581021
>>> - https://developer.apple.com/forums/thread/701514#701514021 (for signing or so…)
>>>
>>>
>>> :( yay more work.
>>>
>>> I have scripts etc.  So LMK
>>>
>>>
>>> Best regards
>>>          -Tobias
>>>
>>> thanks!
>>>
>>>> Best regards
>>>>          -Tobias
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> Marcel
>>>>>> Am 05.07.2022 21:03:47 schrieb Eliot Miranda <eliot.miranda at gmail.com>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>      apologies for raining on the parade. Here's what I get when I either launch the Squeak6 app bundle or drop an image on it.  How can this be fixed?  It's not a good default.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <image.png>
>>>>>> _,,,^..^,,,_
>>>>>> best, Eliot
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