[Squeakfoundation]base image distribution

[PhiHo Hoang]

Hi Rob,

> SqueakMap won't work without networking, so this base image wont be
> bootstrapable from the net.  I also start thinking about the MobVM when we
> look at the smallest bootstrapable unit.

    Your proposal will certainly get my vote ;-)

> Here is what I see as the base image distro.
>     - basic vm with file system support, perhaps MobVM enabled - deal with
> dll locations, blah
>     - basic image with enough juice to read a startup script
>         - no gui, no network,
>         - incl compiler, fs, evaluation, collections, metamodel, magnatude

    And I guess MobVM would be able to help teleporting the base image
    and core packages.

>     - base changesets and plugins to add the bare minimum for gui (MVC or
> Morphic?), network, SqueakMap

    These can be installed through SqueakMap ?
    (except plugins, which are handled automagically by MobVM)

    Cheers,

    PhiHo.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rob Withers" <rwithers12@attbi.com>
To: <squeakfoundation@lists.squeakfoundation.org>
Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 9:35 AM
Subject: [Squeakfoundation]base image distribution


> I completely agree, almost.  :)   What is the smallest feature set for the
> base stripped image?  Is there a swiki page on this?
>
> The multicast events are not a new feature but a refinement of an existing
> feature that compliments the #update:/#changed: mechanism.   I can imagine
> that we may want to include this in the base raw image along with
> exceptions, #perform:, a file system, and the compiler.
>
> SqueakMap won't work without networking, so this base image wont be
> bootstrapable from the net.  I also start thinking about the MobVM when we
> look at the smallest bootstrapable unit.
>
> Here is what I see as the base image distro.
>     - basic vm with file system support, perhaps MobVM enabled - deal with
> dll locations, blah
>     - basic image with enough juice to read a startup script
>         - no gui, no network,
>         - incl compiler, fs, evaluation, collections, metamodel, magnatude
>     - base changesets and plugins to add the bare minimum for gui (MVC or
> Morphic?), network, SqueakMap
>     - optional local SqueakMap repository with a snapshot of base
extension
> packages (as differentiated from application packages)
>     - optional local SqueakMap repository with the entire universe (and
then
> some) in it.  (for those of us without even a 1 Baud connection to the net
>
> So I don't know the exact details of where we see this going, but its
going
> and that's what counts!  :)
>
> cheers,
> rob
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Stephen Pair" <spair@acm.org>
> To: <squeakfoundation@lists.squeakfoundation.org>
> Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 9:04 AM
> Subject: RE: [Squeakfoundation]WeakMessageSends/Events for 3.4
>
>
> I agree with Göran on this issue.
>
> Indeed, I'd take it a step further and say no new features period...ever
> (for the base Squeak that is).  Stuff like a new events mechanism,
> networking frameworks, etc...should all remain as external packages.  We
> need to be working in that opposite direction and start having change
> sets in the update stream jettison code, not add.
>
> Now, what would be great is to have a base Squeak realease, plus a
> number of "distributions" that contain a variety of packages that are
> pre-loaded.  One of these could be the SqC distribution that is
> downloadable from the squeak.org site (this would be the distro that
> most people download first).
>
> One of the things that could be done to help encourage progress in that
> direction is to start thinking about automating image construction
> (i.e., take the base image, add packages X, Y, and Z, then publish
> somewhere).  Some tools to help with that would be nice.
>
> - Stephen
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: squeakfoundation-admin@lists.squeakfoundation.org
> > [mailto:squeakfoundation-admin@lists.squeakfoundation.org] On
> > Behalf Of goran.hultgren@bluefish.se
> > Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 5:09 AM
> > To: squeakfoundation@lists.squeakfoundation.org
> > Subject: Re: [Squeakfoundation]WeakMessageSends/Events for 3.4
> >
> >
> > Hi all!
> >
> > Without having looked at this, which mean that I could be
> > making a fool of myself, I just want to say that we are at
> > *beta* now. Not alpha. In my book that means bugfixes, not
> > much else. Is this a bugfix?
> >
> > Of course, there are always exceptions to the rule, but
> > please - let us not swamp 3.4 just before trying to release
> > it. Ok? I mean - when we release 3.4 we suddenly have
> > 3.5alpha to happily screw up instead. :-)
> >
> > regards, Göran
> >
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