[UI] Squeak's Menus Are Awful

[Gary Chambers]

Sounds fair. There are still a lot of direct users of PopupMenu in the image
(ST-80 based), grim.
Perhaps they should be changed to go via the UIManager and/or theme and use
a MenuMorph.
(even confirm: in the standard MorphicUIManager uses PopupMenu rather than a
MenuMorph).
Then fix/modify MenuMorph to have the behaviour we require (or subclass it
and direct it from the active UIManager).

I could adapt the technique I used for a DropList's list to make surethe
menu gets deleted when a click occurs beyond its bounds.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: ui-bounces at lists.squeakfoundation.org 
> [mailto:ui-bounces at lists.squeakfoundation.org] On Behalf Of 
> Jason Johnson
> Sent: 14 September 2007 5:51 pm
> To: Squeak's User Interface
> Subject: Re: [UI] Squeak's Menus Are Awful
> 
> 
> Sounds like you have a handle on it to me. :)
> 
> On 9/14/07, Bill Schwab <BSchwab at anest.ufl.edu> wrote:
> > Gang,
> >
> > Now that I have filtered this list into its own folder, I have 
> > remember to **look at it**  ~:0
> >
> > How about this as a compromise: menus that are worthy of 
> being left in 
> > place (not many IMHO - they should instead be separate 
> system windows) 
> > should have a title bar and be draggable by that; other 
> menus should 
> > be sufficiently modal that it is not a consideration.
> >
> > Squeak has long (ab)used menus in situations where more 
> complex views 
> > were appropriate.  Look at the file picking menus: one gets 
> a chain of 
> > menus vs. a dialog.  Note that there are dialogs, but there 
> are also 
> > hideous menus.
> >
> > Bill
> >
> >
> >
> > Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D.
> > University of Florida
> > Department of Anesthesiology
> > PO Box 100254
> > Gainesville, FL 32610-0254
> >
> > Email: bschwab at anest.ufl.edu
> > Tel: (352) 846-1285
> > FAX: (352) 392-7029
> >
> > >>> gazzaguru2 at btinternet.com 09/13/07 7:00 PM >>>
> > I think you should be "able" to pick up the menus, just via halo 
> > though, to move them out of the way. Not by a default click/drag.
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: ui-bounces at lists.squeakfoundation.org
> > > [mailto:ui-bounces at lists.squeakfoundation.org] On Behalf Of tim 
> > > Rowledge
> > > Sent: 13 September 2007 11:55 pm
> > > To: Squeak's User Interface
> > > Subject: Re: [UI] Squeak's Menus Are Awful
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 13-Sep-07, at 3:18 PM, Todd Blanchard wrote:
> > >
> > > > Specifically, they open to the right of the mouse.
> > > There's a good reason for that; if you click the mouse button you 
> > > get a button-down followed by a button-up. If the menu 
> opened under 
> > > the mouse location you would have accidentally picked 
> whatever item 
> > > was in the right place. Delete all files, anyone?
> > >
> > > It's particularly likely to be annoying when the menus 
> are slow to 
> > > dispaly, which they certainly seem to be in recent Squeak images. 
> > > Now venting about Morphic performance in 3.9 is something worth 
> > > doing. Dismal. And I'm running on a 2GHz dualcore OSX 
> machine with 
> > > 2Gb ram, not exactly a slow system.
> > >
> > > >   If you open a menu, don't move the mouse, and click, you will 
> > > > pick up the menu with the hand.  This happens to me - 
> oh - about 
> > > > 50% of the time.  Either open the menu under the mouse, 
> or make it 
> > > > so I can't pick it up except with the title bar.
> > > Do the latter for the reasons mentioned above. Being able 
> to pick up 
> > > a menu at any point is insane.
> > >
> > >
> > > tim
> > > --
> > > tim Rowledge; tim at rowledge.org; http://www.rowledge.org/tim Press 
> > > [ESC] to detonate or any other key to explode.
> > >
> > >
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