[UI] Squeak's Menus Are Awful

Sat Sep 15 11:07:20 UTC 2007

Gary, anybody,

DUMB question: I found http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/6005, which looks
like a nice boost in getting things to work.  Maybe Monticello will like
me now ;)  Are there any other tricks to this, such as install either by
universe or Monticello, and then apply bleeding edge stuff from Squeak
Source???  Just confessing ignorance in hopes that I will be testing the
correct stuff.

Bill

Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D.
University of Florida
Department of Anesthesiology
PO Box 100254
Gainesville, FL 32610-0254

Email: bschwab at anest.ufl.edu
Tel: (352) 846-1285
FAX: (352) 392-7029

>>> gazzaguru2 at btinternet.com 09/14/07 5:36 PM >>>
Have changed Utilities #informUserDuring: and #informUser:during: to go
via
UIManager and overridden #informUserDuring: in PSUIManager to redirect
to
using the SystemProgressMorph do deal with the "popup" cases when
recompiling etc. 

Deals with some of the mis-uses of popup-menus. Feedback appreciated
(ToolBuilder-gvc.6 and Widgets-gvc.235 from SqueakSource). Had some
hassles
with Monticello (using Keith's changes...). Hopefully ok now :-)

> -----Original Message-----
> From: ui-bounces at lists.squeakfoundation.org 
> [mailto:ui-bounces at lists.squeakfoundation.org] On Behalf Of 
> Gary Chambers
> Sent: 14 September 2007 8:29 pm
> To: 'Squeak's User Interface'
> Subject: RE: [UI] Squeak's Menus Are Awful
> 
> 
> Sounds fair. There are still a lot of direct users of 
> PopupMenu in the image (ST-80 based), grim. Perhaps they 
> should be changed to go via the UIManager and/or theme and 
> use a MenuMorph. (even confirm: in the standard 
> MorphicUIManager uses PopupMenu rather than a MenuMorph). 
> Then fix/modify MenuMorph to have the behaviour we require 
> (or subclass it and direct it from the active UIManager).
> 
> I could adapt the technique I used for a DropList's list to 
> make surethe menu gets deleted when a click occurs beyond its bounds.
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ui-bounces at lists.squeakfoundation.org
> > [mailto:ui-bounces at lists.squeakfoundation.org] On Behalf Of 
> > Jason Johnson
> > Sent: 14 September 2007 5:51 pm
> > To: Squeak's User Interface
> > Subject: Re: [UI] Squeak's Menus Are Awful
> > 
> > 
> > Sounds like you have a handle on it to me. :)
> > 
> > On 9/14/07, Bill Schwab <BSchwab at anest.ufl.edu> wrote:
> > > Gang,
> > >
> > > Now that I have filtered this list into its own folder, I have
> > > remember to **look at it**  ~:0
> > >
> > > How about this as a compromise: menus that are worthy of
> > being left in
> > > place (not many IMHO - they should instead be separate
> > system windows)
> > > should have a title bar and be draggable by that; other
> > menus should
> > > be sufficiently modal that it is not a consideration.
> > >
> > > Squeak has long (ab)used menus in situations where more
> > complex views
> > > were appropriate.  Look at the file picking menus: one gets
> > a chain of
> > > menus vs. a dialog.  Note that there are dialogs, but there
> > are also
> > > hideous menus.
> > >
> > > Bill
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D.
> > > University of Florida
> > > Department of Anesthesiology
> > > PO Box 100254
> > > Gainesville, FL 32610-0254
> > >
> > > Email: bschwab at anest.ufl.edu
> > > Tel: (352) 846-1285
> > > FAX: (352) 392-7029
> > >
> > > >>> gazzaguru2 at btinternet.com 09/13/07 7:00 PM >>>
> > > I think you should be "able" to pick up the menus, just via halo
> > > though, to move them out of the way. Not by a default click/drag.
> > >
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: ui-bounces at lists.squeakfoundation.org
> > > > [mailto:ui-bounces at lists.squeakfoundation.org] On Behalf Of tim
> > > > Rowledge
> > > > Sent: 13 September 2007 11:55 pm
> > > > To: Squeak's User Interface
> > > > Subject: Re: [UI] Squeak's Menus Are Awful
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 13-Sep-07, at 3:18 PM, Todd Blanchard wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Specifically, they open to the right of the mouse.
> > > > There's a good reason for that; if you click the mouse 
> button you
> > > > get a button-down followed by a button-up. If the menu 
> > opened under
> > > > the mouse location you would have accidentally picked
> > whatever item
> > > > was in the right place. Delete all files, anyone?
> > > >
> > > > It's particularly likely to be annoying when the menus
> > are slow to
> > > > dispaly, which they certainly seem to be in recent 
> Squeak images.
> > > > Now venting about Morphic performance in 3.9 is something worth 
> > > > doing. Dismal. And I'm running on a 2GHz dualcore OSX 
> > machine with
> > > > 2Gb ram, not exactly a slow system.
> > > >
> > > > >   If you open a menu, don't move the mouse, and 
> click, you will
> > > > > pick up the menu with the hand.  This happens to me - 
> > oh - about
> > > > > 50% of the time.  Either open the menu under the mouse,
> > or make it
> > > > > so I can't pick it up except with the title bar.
> > > > Do the latter for the reasons mentioned above. Being able
> > to pick up
> > > > a menu at any point is insane.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > tim
> > > > --
> > > > tim Rowledge; tim at rowledge.org; 
> http://www.rowledge.org/tim Press
> > > > [ESC] to detonate or any other key to explode.
> > > >
> > > >
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