lowspace signalling and handling issues
John M McIntosh
johnmci at smalltalkconsulting.com
Sun May 1 04:25:59 UTC 2005
On Apr 30, 2005, at 8:00 PM, Andreas Raab wrote:
> Hi Tim -
>> After having problem trying to debug some TK4 code that blew up with
>> problems but never let me catch and debug, I spent some time adding
>> lowspace-process stuff we recently discussed. I had to make a few
>> to match it up with the latest 64bit clean code but no problems with
>> that part.
> What am I missing? I don't remember low-space stuff - I only remember
> interrupt-related stuff.
There was a mantis bug about low-space issues and some patchs to record
which process caused the lowspace signal. Mind this in my opinion is
>> Depending upon the exact size of object memory in use the 200kb used
>> as the
>> lowSpaceThreshold can be gobbled up in one swallow by the
>> initializeMemoryFirstFree: method making sure there is a byte per
>> object that
>> survived the markPhase. In using useUpMemory we can get to having 4
>> bytes of
>> free space when the next allocate is attempted.... Ka-Boom.
> Well, so don't eat up the memory. There is no reason why
> initializeMemoryFirstFree: would have to reserve that much memory -
> like the comment says the reserve "should" be chosen so that
> compactions can be done in one pass but there is absolutely no such
> requirement. Multi-pass compactions have happened in the past and
> there is nothing wrong with them (in a low-space situation).
>> This assumes that we really need to have one byte per object of
>> course. The
>> original rationale was to keep the number of compact loops down to
>> eight (see
>> Dan's comment in initializeMemoryFirstFree:) for Alan's large demo
>> image. The
>> nicest solution would be to come up with a way to do our GC &
>> without needing any extra space. Commence headscratching now... John
>> making sure the fwd gets less than the byte-per-object if things are
>> tight, and
>> accpting the extra compaction loops.
> Yes. That's the only reasonable way of dealing with it.
What happens is the fwdblocks calculation grabs all the available free
memory when it's recalculated after the full GC, the check for this
condition actually backs it off to allow one object header free, 4 or 6
bytes I believe, usually you die right away because someone attempts to
allocate a new context record and we don't have 98ish bytes free. I
gave Tim a change set that attempts to maximise freespace to 100K by
reducing fwdblocks down to 32k, once you hit the 32k limit freespace
then heads towards zero of course.
Note that once freespace goes under 200,000 we do signal the lowspace
These changes do require a VM change, but we did notice as Tim points
out if you increase the lowspace threshold, say to 1MB in my testing
the other night we'll get the semaphore signaled with a current VM,
this would not occur before in an unaltered VM.
>> Bad news- consider Tweak. With lots of processes whizzing away,
>> merely stopping
>> the one that did the allocation and triggered the lowspace is not
>> going to be
>> much good. Stopping everything except the utterly essential stuff to
>> debug the
>> lowspace will be needed. Probably.
> Uh, oh. Are you telling me that the "low space stuff" you are
> referring to above actually suspends the process that triggers the
> low-space condition? Bad, bad, bad idea. Ever considered that this
> might be the timer process? The finalization process? Low-space is
> *not* a per-process condition; suspending the currently running
> process is something that should be done with great care (if at all).
> Please, don't suspend that process - put it away for the image to
> examine but by all means do NOT suspend it. If you give me a nice
> clean semaphore signal for Tweak to handle a low-space condition I
> know perfectly well what to do but if you just suspend a random
> process which may have absolutely nothing with the low space
> condition, then, yes, we are in trouble (if this were a tweak
> scheduler process you'd be totally hosed).
Tim and I were considering to suspend all user processes and others we
don't have knowledge of being untouchable, then I pointed out Tweak
spawns all these process, what do we do about them? Certainly we can
call something to say lowspace Mr Tweak beware...
The Process Browser logic has a table identifying processes of the VM,
we assume a process the user created is causing the problem. The
earlier fix suggested to stop the process that was running when the
lowspace condition occurred, but I doubt you can 100% say that is the
process in question and could as you know be the finalization process
or other critical task. Still this is not harmful because the evil
process in question is still running and will terminate your image in
> - Andreas
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