[Vm-dev] squeak-vm in Debian
bert at freudenbergs.de
Mon Mar 17 10:28:41 UTC 2008
Great news: José got the Squeak VM accepted into Debian, see forwarded
msg below. The official page is
and the discussion leading to inclusion is here:
- Bert -
Begin forwarded message:
> From: "José Luis Redrejo" <jredrejo at gmail.com>
> Date: March 16, 2008 16:05:08 GMT+01:00
> To: "The general-purpose Squeak developers list" <squeak-dev at lists.squeakfoundation.org
> Subject: Re: [squeak-dev] Fwd: Web page with status of squeak
> license issue resolution?
> Reply-To: The general-purpose Squeak developers list <squeak-dev at lists.squeakfoundation.org
> squeak-vm has just been officially accepted in Debian. It will be
> available in the archives and mirrors tonight. In the meantime, http://ftp-master.debian.org/new/squeak-vm_3.9.12+svn1820.dfsg-1.html
> has the details for it.
> As Bert suggested, dealing with the difference licenses in the
> sources has been the worst part of the packaging.
> I hope the package will be useful, I've tried to make it fully
> compatible with current packaging schema in squeak.org, but has
> added some things to make it more desktop friendly, thinking more in
> the teachers and students than in the developers who don't use to
> have problems in managing it.
> José L.
> P.S. The package contains a patch to fix a 64 bits problem and a
> license file that was lost in the svn, so maybe somebody with access
> to the upstream svn could upload these patches.
> 2008/2/26, Bert Freudenberg <bert at freudenbergs.de>:
> On Feb 26, 2008, at 12:43 , Damien Pollet wrote:
> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > From: José L. Redrejo Rodríguez <jredrejo at edu.juntaextremadura.net>
> > Date: Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 8:46 AM
> > Subject: Re: Web page with status of squeak license issue
> > To: Petter Reinholdtsen <pere at hungry.com>
> > Cc: Damien Pollet <damien.pollet at gmail.com>, debian-
> > edu at lists.debian.org
> > El mar, 26-02-2008 a las 08:29 +0100, Petter Reinholdtsen escribió:
> >> Hi. We spoke together after your lightning talk on FOSDEM about
> >> getting squeak into Debian. You mentioned that there is slow
> >> progress
> >> in getting the license question resolved, but that it is a lot of
> >> work. Is there a web page documenting the status of this work?
> >> who need to be contacted, who is already contacted and who is
> left to
> >> contact?
> >> As I mentioned earlier, we in the Debian Edu community are
> >> in including squeak into our distribution, and for this reason
> >> want to
> >> see it in Debian/main. CC to our list to keep the other
> >> updated on the squeak status.
> >> I've found <URL:http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/159> and
> >> <URL:http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/3733> but did not see any
> >> information there about the work on contacting previous authors to
> >> get
> >> them to agree on a relicensing.
> > Those page are obsolete.
> > The relicensing process is described and updated at
> > http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/6016
> > As the part of code that has not been relicensed is because
> > contacting
> > the authors has not been possible, current plans are rewritting
> > part of code.
> > About taking Squeak in Debian, I have an ITP over the squeak
> > machine (#454635) and I plan to upload it as soon as I have time to
> > finish a couple of pending patches for 64 bits platforms.
> > There are different ways to use Squeak, people from squeak.org are
> > more
> > focused in using squeak as a development tool, and people from
> > squeakland.org are more focused in using it for kids and teaching
> > currently working on the OLPC project. My intention is to do the
> > squeak-vm interface oriented to teachers and students and give to
> > interface as better integration with the desktop as possible.
> > For future Squeak images, as soon as the license issue is
> > finished, we
> > can work on different images. At Extremadura we have been working
> > customizing the image with a more updated interface, more eyecandy
> > and
> > adding projects from all around the world (Germany, Japan, Spain &
> > USA)
> > with a lot of educative tools. The project and the image is
> > available at
> > http://squeak.educarex.es. We have also made some interactive
> > books for
> > maths with the image. Those images are used in our school and
> will be
> > uploaded to Debian when possible.
> > So, in brief, today smalltalk developers are needed to recode the
> > small
> > part of code that has not been relicensed yet. There are some
> > that say that FSF allows releasing under a free license if the
> > percentage of code without the license is lower than 5%. If that
> > true it could be done today, but nobody is sure about it.
> > Regards.
> > José L.
> A Fedora developer recently pointed out the mix of licenses in the VM
> source code:
> > Also note, significant portions of this package appear to be dual
> > licensed under
> > the LGPLv2.1+ and the Squeak license, neither of which are MIT.
> > ./platforms/Cross/plugins/JPEGReadWriter2Plugin/jcomapi.c
> > notes it is licensed and to read a README file, but no such file
> > exists
> > (contrary to the Independent JPEG Group's license). It might be
> > considered free
> > enough, but that's not entirely clear.
> > There's a boatload of MP3 plugin code here. MP3 is patented.
> > ./platforms/Cross/plugins/SoundCodecPrims/ is missing a COPYRIGHT
> > containing the license for code in that dir too.
> > There's a lot of stuff under a Sun copyright with a permissive
> > license.
> > There's stuff under the Squeak license, not dual-licensed.
> > There's Perl-Compatible-Regular-Expressions which is yet another
> > license...
> > There's GPLv2+ code in ./platforms/unix/plugins/VideoForLinuxPlugin/
> > ccvt_types.h
> (from https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=247983)
> We intend to clean this up, which may well end up removing code. If
> this hurts anyone, they'll surely implement a replacement ;)
> - Bert -
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