[Vm-dev] Compiling squeak-vm for Linux 64bit
goran at krampe.se
Tue Mar 17 12:36:36 UTC 2009
Really wrong forum, but what the heck.
Bert Freudenberg wrote:
> Most in the squeak.org community do
> not think of Squeak as a product with users, but rather as a tool they
> only use themselves. E.g., there is even resistance to creating a
> squeak-users mailing list aimed at Smalltalk developers who just want to
> use Squeak for developing :/
Interesting. I wonder if I am one of those "resisting". When I heard the
idea of creating a squeak-users list I first thought that, no, Squeak is
not polished enough to be just "used" as a multimedia environment.
Because I didn't think of "using" to possibly could have meant "using
for development"! Yeah, call me daft.
Another reason is probably that I don't understand why anyone would only
want to "use" Squeak without any interest in how it is being moved
forward nor how it works inside. When you develop in Squeak you
typically invest in its future, so why on earth would you not be
considering yourself a member of the "squeak-dev" community?
Anyway, for other "development tools" I can see myself more clearly as a
"user" - but a Smalltalk environment is so intertwined with itself that
I don't see that separation. I also do not like squeak-dev turning into
some kind of "club for the mighty developers". Which is why I was
hesitant about the beginners list too - although I probably was wrong there.
> They will have an open ear to your concerns.
I do think Squeakers in general have a very "open ear" - it is not ears
we lack, it is time to spend in solving problems that someone else has
that we lack. :) At least most of us lack it.
> The VM guys here basically churn away on keeping up the illusion that
> Squeak simply works ;)
> - Bert -
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