[Vm-dev] building Cog

John McIntosh johnmci at smalltalkconsulting.com
Mon Jul 11 01:28:43 UTC 2011

Igor I think you have to separate out the folks who want the
one-click-experience from the folks who want to know all the steps
You and I fit into the "know all the steps"
But oddly and this at times seems strange to me, there are people who
want to do the build, yet from the 'one-click-experience'
Those from my past experience out-number us.
So yes, one fat archive and punch GO.

Obviously you can temper this by saying, look if you want to do it all
manually then these are the steps, and expect at any point in time
they will fail as the third parties involved will move the carpet from
under you.

On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 9:08 PM, Igor Stasenko <siguctua at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 11 July 2011 03:25, John McIntosh <johnmci at smalltalkconsulting.com> wrote:
>> Igor, I am reminded that about 8 years back building the Mac VM took
>> about 20 steps. That I found was about 19 steps too long for an
>> "average" user to follow.
>> No disrespect to the folks attempt to build this, but when you have 20
>> steps then there is just too much chance for a human to fail or for
>> the other third parties to
>> throw cold water on you.
>> Unfortunately solving this can take a while, I'm sure I struggled for
>> a month or more refactoring the process into a more simple number of
>> steps.
>> So at each point ask youself what can go wrong, and why do I need to
>> have something manual here? Should there just be a sole command to do
>> it all?
> Look, there are only 4 steps for installing mingw on windows
> (http://marianopeck.wordpress.com/2011/04/10/building-the-vm-from-scratch-using-git-and-cmakevmmaker/)
> And JJ Stevens refers to step 5.. so i really don't have any clue what
> he's doing.
> As for simplifying even more.. One could package everything in big fat
> archive and make it downloadable.
> But then it is not 'from scratch' , it will be 'from fat archive'. :)
> --
> Best regards,
> Igor Stasenko AKA sig.

John M. McIntosh <johnmci at smalltalkconsulting.com>
Corporate Smalltalk Consulting Ltd.  http://www.smalltalkconsulting.com

More information about the Vm-dev mailing list