[Vm-dev] RE: [Newbies] Re: You said you'd get back to me

Ron Teitelbaum ron at usmedrec.com
Wed Jun 1 11:25:44 UTC 2011

HI all,

It is clear from the message that there are issues.  Squeak-dev, beginners, and vm-dev are not an appropriate place for a flame war.  Could you please take us off your thread.  I would also like to suggest to both of you that you find a way to solve the issues and work together.  There is no solution between people without finding common ground.  Find the common ground and work together or don't.  The rest is a waste of your time and talent.

Respectfully submitted,

Ron Teitelbaum

> -----Original Message-----
> From: beginners-bounces at lists.squeakfoundation.org [mailto:beginners-
> bounces at lists.squeakfoundation.org] On Behalf Of Casey Ransberger
> Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 7:02 AM
> To: Stéphane Ducasse
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> Subject: [Newbies] Re: You said you'd get back to me
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> On Jun 1, 2011, at 2:35 AM, Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse at inria.fr>
> wrote:
> > Dear Casey
> >
> >> So, are you done with whatever crap you had to do with the French
> military?
> >
> > This is not crap. Sorry but this is the security of our institute and its services.
> > Non inria people cannot log on INRIA servers. This is the rule.  I forgot to let
> you know.
> I paid respect to you and that at the time. You told me to wait, and I did, but
> I'm done waiting on you. You said you'd get back to me, but clearly I was not
> important enough to you for you to keep your word.
> >
> >> Can I get started on CI for Squeak now?
> >
> > I do not think so because nobody from our team has the time for that.
> I kind of have to wonder if you didn't think you were posting on the Pharo list
> when you replied (I imagine, half awake) to my message to squeak-dev.
> I must have gotten confused and thought I should listen to you.
> >> Are you at liberty to explain why you chose to block my work over a local
> governmental issue that shouldn't concern the Squeak community or any of
> its efforts in the least?
> >
> > I think that your sentence above is a bit out of concern.
> > I did not block anything. Now why do you think that the squeak community
> could pretend anything on us?
> You asked me to wait, and you're the president of ESUG or something, so I
> waited for you like a good dog.
> >> I'm not French and frankly I'm a bit livid that I've been waiting on you and
> the French government for this long: no government should ever stall open
> source work.
> >
> > This is not the point.
> What's the point then, sir? I'm dying to know what it is.
> >> I'm a bit confused by the month of silence I've gotten out of you.
> >
> > I have a life too and not doing pharo all the time. I have been promoted
> and I have a lot more duties.
> Oh, right you're busy. I think I mentioned quite a lot of respect for the work
> you're doing in my first messages to you: did you read them?
> >> Aren't you the president of ESUG or something? Don't you have an
> obligation to unblock people in the Smalltalk community or does that
> responsibility only extend to Pharo in your mind?
> >
> > I really do not like the contents and implication of the sentence above.
> > I did probably more to squeak than you and from that I imagine that people
> should respect me.
> > I did more to Smalltalk than people over the last 10 years so if you do not
> realize that, think about it.
> I am not implying anything. I asked you a few pretty direct questions, and
> you're avoiding answering them in a very passive-aggressive way, which is
> kind of difficult to get behind.
> As far as your illustrious work with Smalltalk, are you referencing the crap
> traits implementation or the actual act of dividing our community in half?
> Alan Kay doesn't seem to have a hell of a lot of problems with answering my
> questions in a timely manner, and he isn't running ESUG, so at this point,
> after slogging through the harder, more rigorous route to an MIT license, I
> kind of have to wonder what your real problem actually is.
> >> Seriously, man, what the hell?
> >
> > Seriously I strongly suggest you not to insult me because I do not like that.
> I'm not insulting you. I'm calling you out into the midway, sir. There's a
> difference.
> Come out and dance if you know how sir, elsewise get the hell off the stage.
> > Stef
> >
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