[Vm-dev] About Smalltalk getSystemAttribute: 1009 [WAS: Re: [Pharo-project] where to report vm crashes? (while running Moose tests)]

Thu Mar 14 19:07:50 UTC 2013

Hmmm, gmail is *broken*.  It doesn't show me the full string you state
after "gives:" until I hit reply.  Phhh.

On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 11:55 AM, Igor Stasenko <siguctua at gmail.com> wrote:

> On 14 March 2013 19:22, Eliot Miranda <eliot.miranda at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi Igor,
> >
> >     can you reply again but just talk about 1009?  Adding the info on
> 1007
> > and 1008 is very confusing.  Thanks!!
> >
> >
> interpreterSourceVersion
>         "The use of this primitive not recommended. Not all VMs providing
> that"
>
>         "Answer a string corresponding to the version of the interpreter
> source.
>         This represents the version level of the Smalltalk source code
> (interpreter
>         and various plugins) that is translated to C by a CCodeGenerator,
> as distinct
>         from the external platform source code, typically written in C and
> managed
>         separately for each platform. An optional primitive is invoked
> that may not
>         be available on all virtual machines."
>
>         "Smalltalk vm interpreterSourceVersion"
>
>         <primitive: 'primitiveInterpreterSourceVersion'>
>         ^ self getSystemAttribute: 1009
>
> gives:
>  'git://gitorious.org/cogvm/blessed.git Commit:
> 412abef33cbed05cf1d75329e451d71c0c6aa5a7 Date: 2013-03-13 17:48:50
> +0100 By: Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm at gmail.com> Jenkins build
> #14535'
>

OK.  So the difference between Pharo and Cog right now is that Pharo has
    URL CommitId Date Author
and Cog has
    CommitId URL

I think I can change to agree with Pharo.  Can you email me the Pharo
platforms/Cross/vm/sqSCCSVersion.h file?

>
> > On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 10:57 AM, Igor Stasenko <siguctua at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> On 14 March 2013 18:39, Eliot Miranda <eliot.miranda at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 7:38 AM, Esteban Lorenzano <
> estebanlm at gmail.com>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> On Mar 12, 2013, at 9:43 PM, Eliot Miranda <eliot.miranda at gmail.com>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> But it would be nice if there was more agreement on the format of
> >> >> Smalltalk getSystemAttribute: 1009.  This is a useful attribute and
> nice if
> >> >> it were parsed by the Pharo image code.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> yes, I agree... maybe something like this:
> >> >>
> >> >> Pharo|Squeak|Newspeak MAJ.MIN.BUG:Cog|Stack|Interpreter
> >> >> MAJ.MIN.BUG:EXTRA-FOR-TASTE
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > What's BUG?  First let's step back.  What info do you currently have
> in
> >> > the Pharo one?
> >> >
> >> > Here's the info in the Cog one:
> >> > VM source revision (revision id of root of VM source tree)
> >> > VM source repository URL (e.g.
> >> > http://www.squeakvm.org/svn/squeak/branches/Cog)
> >> > Plugin source revision (revision id of plugins/Cross)
> >> > plugins/Cross source repository URL (e.g.
> >> > http://squeakvm.org/svn/squeak/trunk/platforms/Cross/plugins)
> >> >
> >>
> >> Here what 'Smalltalk vm version' gives:
> >>  'NBCoInterpreter NativeBoost-CogPlugin-EstebanLorenzano.18 uuid:
> >> a53445f9-c0c0-4015-97a3-be7db8d9ed6b Mar 13 2013
> >> NBCogit NativeBoost-CogPlugin-EstebanLorenzano.18 uuid:
> >> a53445f9-c0c0-4015-97a3-be7db8d9ed6b Mar 13 2013
> >> git://gitorious.org/cogvm/blessed.git Commit:
> >> 412abef33cbed05cf1d75329e451d71c0c6aa5a7 Date: 2013-03-13 17:48:50
> >> +0100 By: Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm at gmail.com> Jenkins build #14535
> >> '
> >> So, details:
> >>
> >> NBCoInterpreter - an interpreter class name, and package which
> implements
> >> it
> >> (with version)
> >>
> >> NBCogit - a Cogit class, and package which implements it
> >>
> >>  NativeBoost-CogPlugin-EstebanLorenzano.18 uuid:
> >> a53445f9-c0c0-4015-97a3-be7db8d9ed6b Mar 13 2013
> >>
> >> Then a url to git repository where sources took from:
> >> git://gitorious.org/cogvm/blessed.git
> >>
> >> And a commit hash:
> >> Commit: 412abef33cbed05cf1d75329e451d71c0c6aa5a7 Date: 2013-03-13
> >> 17:48:50 +0100
> >> And commit author:
> >> By: Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm at gmail.com>
> >>
> >> And at the end we add a jenkins job # , but it only added if you build
> >> VM on jenkins:
> >> Jenkins build #14535
> >>
> >> Like that, we're not bound to some strange version number which means
> >> nothing, but rather a concrete and most complete information, where
> >> this artifact comes from and how to reproduce it in case of need.
> >>
> >> Some glitches: For our CMakeVMMaker builds, it actually makes more
> >> sense to give a configuration class name (and corresponding
> >> CMakeVMMaker package version), rather than interpreter/cointerpreter
> >> classes,
> >> because cmake config encapsulates a lot of things including those two,
> >> and a lot more.
> >>
> >> P.S. i really want to merge all smalltalk source codebase into git ,
> >> like that we will only need to list a git commit # and the config used
> >> to build VM.
> >> But not MC package version, because there's plenty of them.. not just
> >> VMMaker alone.
> >> Otherwise to provide full information we would need to list all
> >> related packages used to build VM and their versions..
> >> But even today, a git commit points to ConfigurationOfCog /
> >> ConfigurationOfPharoVM which uniquely identifies all required packages
> >> and their versions used to build VM for that commit...
> >> So, an MC package versions is more a legacy than we really need it.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Best regards,
> >> Igor Stasenko.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > best,
> > Eliot
>
>
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Igor Stasenko.
>

-- 
best,
Eliot
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