[Vm-dev] [squeak-dev] VM download location confusion

Esteban Lorenzano estebanlm at gmail.com
Wed Oct 16 09:04:47 UTC 2013

some time ago I sent a proposal over this. 

in practice, we maintaining all platforms (mac, linux and windows) and the work is available to everybody (and is not just me: Igor, Camillo and Guille work on that too, a lot... and now is Clement doing some work too). And we did not fork, we maintain compatibility.

I didn't resign as mac maintainer, but I see no point on having a different build process that the one I have now (which relies on git, CMakeMaker and Jenkins), and doing it would predate my time (which is not much). 

I even tried to add this information into mac page of squeakvm.org (along with different links with the different available links), just to discover I do not have write rights anymore (probably lost in a server change). 

That. We are far so few to lose effort duplicating the work of others, and since I'm having a really bad day, please let me say it as a feel it, and I'm sorry if I offend your susceptibility: If you are going to continue ignoring my work just because I program with a different process and in a different environment, please tell me and I will stop losing my time sending mails to this list. 
Otherwise, we are open for any contributions.


On Oct 16, 2013, at 3:02 AM, David T. Lewis <lewis at mail.msen.com> wrote:

> On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 05:19:33PM -0700, tim Rowledge wrote:
>> We have a fairly confusing story for downloading VMs at the moment, at least so far as I can see. I'm particularly referring to Mac VMs here, since I don't have any idea what the situation with Windows VMs might be.
>> squeakvm.org/mac  points to a cog vm that seems to date itself to 2010, or to an autobuilder for the pharo group at inria (which won't respond to me anyway). Eliot's blog site has a quite separate download folder. There's the jenkins autobuilder at build.squeak.org as well, of course.
>> We should probably have a better story than that.
> John McIntosh turned over responsibility for the Mac VM to a new maintainer:
>  http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/pipermail/squeak-dev/2010-November/155100.html
> However, there have been no updates to the traditional Mac VM since 2010, and
> the Mac VM is effectively unmaintained at this time.
> Eliot Miranda continues to support Mac with his Cog VMs, and Ian Piumarta
> provides a Unix VM that runs on OS X (X window required, see squeakvm.org/unix).
> With the loss of Andreas Raab we also no longer have an official Windows VM
> maintainer. As with Mac, Eliot provides Cog support for Windows, and Ian has
> built a recent interpreter VM for Windows on squeakvm.org.
> Branches of the interpreter and Cog VMs are separately maintained by the Pharo
> group. These have diverged from trunk and I cannot say if they are compatible
> with standard Squeak interpreter and Cog VMs.
> The Jenkins autobuilder at build.squeak.org is not a source of supported VMs.
> It serves only to verify the the integrity of the VMMaker source generation
> process. For supported standard VMs, http://squeakvm.org is the definitive
> site, with pointers to http://www.mirandabanda.org/files/Cog/VM/ for Cog.
> Dave

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