[Vm-dev] [squeak-dev] VM download location confusion

H. Hirzel hannes.hirzel at gmail.com
Wed Oct 16 10:20:56 UTC 2013

On 10/16/13, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm at gmail.com> wrote:
> some time ago I sent a proposal over this.

could you please resend it or provide a link to it?


> in practice, we maintaining all platforms (mac, linux and windows) and the
> work is available to everybody (and is not just me: Igor, Camillo and Guille
> work on that too, a lot... and now is Clement doing some work too). And we
> did not fork, we maintain compatibility.
> I didn't resign as mac maintainer, but I see no point on having a different
> build process that the one I have now (which relies on git, CMakeMaker and
> Jenkins), and doing it would predate my time (which is not much).
> I even tried to add this information into mac page of squeakvm.org (along
> with different links with the different available links), just to discover I
> do not have write rights anymore (probably lost in a server change).
> That. We are far so few to lose effort duplicating the work of others, and
> since I'm having a really bad day, please let me say it as a feel it, and
> I'm sorry if I offend your susceptibility: If you are going to continue
> ignoring my work just because I program with a different process and in a
> different environment, please tell me and I will stop losing my time sending
> mails to this list.
> Otherwise, we are open for any contributions.
> Esteban
> On Oct 16, 2013, at 3:02 AM, David T. Lewis <lewis at mail.msen.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 05:19:33PM -0700, tim Rowledge wrote:
>>> We have a fairly confusing story for downloading VMs at the moment, at
>>> least so far as I can see. I'm particularly referring to Mac VMs here,
>>> since I don't have any idea what the situation with Windows VMs might
>>> be.
>>> squeakvm.org/mac  points to a cog vm that seems to date itself to 2010,
>>> or to an autobuilder for the pharo group at inria (which won't respond to
>>> me anyway). Eliot's blog site has a quite separate download folder.
>>> There's the jenkins autobuilder at build.squeak.org as well, of course.
>>> We should probably have a better story than that.
>> John McIntosh turned over responsibility for the Mac VM to a new
>> maintainer:
>> http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/pipermail/squeak-dev/2010-November/155100.html
>> However, there have been no updates to the traditional Mac VM since 2010,
>> and
>> the Mac VM is effectively unmaintained at this time.
>> Eliot Miranda continues to support Mac with his Cog VMs, and Ian Piumarta
>> provides a Unix VM that runs on OS X (X window required, see
>> squeakvm.org/unix).
>> With the loss of Andreas Raab we also no longer have an official Windows
>> VM
>> maintainer. As with Mac, Eliot provides Cog support for Windows, and Ian
>> has
>> built a recent interpreter VM for Windows on squeakvm.org.
>> Branches of the interpreter and Cog VMs are separately maintained by the
>> Pharo
>> group. These have diverged from trunk and I cannot say if they are
>> compatible
>> with standard Squeak interpreter and Cog VMs.
>> The Jenkins autobuilder at build.squeak.org is not a source of supported
>> VMs.
>> It serves only to verify the the integrity of the VMMaker source
>> generation
>> process. For supported standard VMs, http://squeakvm.org is the
>> definitive
>> site, with pointers to http://www.mirandabanda.org/files/Cog/VM/ for Cog.
>> Dave

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