[Vm-dev] [squeak-dev] VM download location confusion

Esteban Lorenzano estebanlm at gmail.com
Wed Oct 16 10:56:22 UTC 2013

On Oct 16, 2013, at 12:20 PM, H. Hirzel <hannes.hirzel at gmail.com> wrote:

> On 10/16/13, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm at gmail.com> wrote:
>> some time ago I sent a proposal over this.
> Esteban,
> could you please resend it or provide a link to it?


> --Hannes
>> in practice, we maintaining all platforms (mac, linux and windows) and the
>> work is available to everybody (and is not just me: Igor, Camillo and Guille
>> work on that too, a lot... and now is Clement doing some work too). And we
>> did not fork, we maintain compatibility.
>> I didn't resign as mac maintainer, but I see no point on having a different
>> build process that the one I have now (which relies on git, CMakeMaker and
>> Jenkins), and doing it would predate my time (which is not much).
>> I even tried to add this information into mac page of squeakvm.org (along
>> with different links with the different available links), just to discover I
>> do not have write rights anymore (probably lost in a server change).
>> That. We are far so few to lose effort duplicating the work of others, and
>> since I'm having a really bad day, please let me say it as a feel it, and
>> I'm sorry if I offend your susceptibility: If you are going to continue
>> ignoring my work just because I program with a different process and in a
>> different environment, please tell me and I will stop losing my time sending
>> mails to this list.
>> Otherwise, we are open for any contributions.
>> Esteban
>> On Oct 16, 2013, at 3:02 AM, David T. Lewis <lewis at mail.msen.com> wrote:
>>> On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 05:19:33PM -0700, tim Rowledge wrote:
>>>> We have a fairly confusing story for downloading VMs at the moment, at
>>>> least so far as I can see. I'm particularly referring to Mac VMs here,
>>>> since I don't have any idea what the situation with Windows VMs might
>>>> be.
>>>> squeakvm.org/mac  points to a cog vm that seems to date itself to 2010,
>>>> or to an autobuilder for the pharo group at inria (which won't respond to
>>>> me anyway). Eliot's blog site has a quite separate download folder.
>>>> There's the jenkins autobuilder at build.squeak.org as well, of course.
>>>> We should probably have a better story than that.
>>> John McIntosh turned over responsibility for the Mac VM to a new
>>> maintainer:
>>> http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/pipermail/squeak-dev/2010-November/155100.html
>>> However, there have been no updates to the traditional Mac VM since 2010,
>>> and
>>> the Mac VM is effectively unmaintained at this time.
>>> Eliot Miranda continues to support Mac with his Cog VMs, and Ian Piumarta
>>> provides a Unix VM that runs on OS X (X window required, see
>>> squeakvm.org/unix).
>>> With the loss of Andreas Raab we also no longer have an official Windows
>>> VM
>>> maintainer. As with Mac, Eliot provides Cog support for Windows, and Ian
>>> has
>>> built a recent interpreter VM for Windows on squeakvm.org.
>>> Branches of the interpreter and Cog VMs are separately maintained by the
>>> Pharo
>>> group. These have diverged from trunk and I cannot say if they are
>>> compatible
>>> with standard Squeak interpreter and Cog VMs.
>>> The Jenkins autobuilder at build.squeak.org is not a source of supported
>>> VMs.
>>> It serves only to verify the the integrity of the VMMaker source
>>> generation
>>> process. For supported standard VMs, http://squeakvm.org is the
>>> definitive
>>> site, with pointers to http://www.mirandabanda.org/files/Cog/VM/ for Cog.
>>> Dave

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