[Fwd: Re: [Webteam] Suggestion+for+Squeak+Website]

[Jason Rogers]

In that "Object-Oriented" was coined by Alan Kay I think it is still
fair to say that Smalltalk is the original.  However, if it would
improve the read-ability of our home page (by not reigniting deep
flames of resentment and/or purism) I wouldn't mind going with
'pioneering' instead of 'original'.

Just my 2 cents.

On 12/3/05, karl <karl.ramberg at chello.se> wrote:
> I'm forwarding to the list. What do people think ?
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> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Max Hailperin <max at gustavus.edu>
> To: karl <karl.ramberg at chello.se>
> Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 07:11:41 -0600
> Subject: Re: [Webteam] Suggestion+for+Squeak+Website
> On Dec 3, 2005, at 2:55 AM, karl wrote:
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> > Max Hailperin skrev:
> >
> >> The Squeak home page's claim that "Smalltalk is the original
> >> object  oriented language" is historically suspect.  That honor is
> >> usually  given to Simula.
> >
> > Smalltalk is inspired by Simula. Simula is a extension to Algol.
> > The term object oriented was coined by Alan Kay describing Smalltalk
> > Smalltalk was the first objects- all-the-way-down system.
> > Take a look at http://gagne.homedns.org/~tgagne/contrib/
> > EarlyHistoryST.html
> > The article is flawed by lot's of spelling errors :-(
> >
> > karl
>
> I'm familiar with Kay's HOPL paper, and I stand by my assertion that
> making a bald claim that Smalltalk is the original OO language is
> suspect.  Because definitions are fuzzy, claims like this can't be
> judged true or false.  However, the credibility of the Squeak project
> would be enhanced if the web page were to make instead a claim that
> would rally consensus support, rather than one that would divide
> readers into those who agree and those who disagree.  Just by
> substituting the words "a pioneering" for "the original", you would
> have a claim that no one would object to, that would be respectful of
> the important work that Dahl and Nygaard did on Simula, and that
> would still accurately reflect the importance of Smalltalk.  It is of
> course your web page, and you are welcome to accept or reject my
> advice as you choose.  I'm just trying to be helpful by making a
> suggestion, not trying to get into a debate.  -max
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Jason Rogers

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but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in
the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved
me, and gave himself for me."
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