All,
I've deleted a news item I posted because it was inaccurate.
I'm sorry for posting the item and my bad attempt at humor.
Ron Teitelbaum
Il giorno dom, 29/10/2006 alle 22.17 -0500, Ron Teitelbaum ha scritto:
All,
I’ve deleted a news item I posted because it was inaccurate.
I’m sorry for posting the item and my bad attempt at humor.
There's no problem, we're not the NY Times. But anyway, I propose these guidelines for editing/deleting posts:
- if you've just published the post and need to edit or delete it, just do it: the probability of anyone having alread read the post is so low there's no need to worry about that.
- if after an hour or more you need to edit the post, edit it and add a notice at the end of the post (with the editing date in case it's different from publishing date).
- if after an hour or more you need to delete a post, delete its content and place a deletion notice instead. ("The post was deleted because it contained erroneous facts etc. etc.")
Any comments?
Giovanni
That sounds good. For this article though someone was offended, so I felt it was necessary to delete it entirely and to post an apology in order to prevent any further bad feelings.
Ron
-----Original Message----- From: Giovanni Corriga [mailto:giovanni@corriga.net] Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 3:41 AM To: Ron@USMedRec.com; The mailing list for the Squeak News Team Subject: Re: [News] Squeak News Retraction
Il giorno dom, 29/10/2006 alle 22.17 -0500, Ron Teitelbaum ha scritto:
All,
I've deleted a news item I posted because it was inaccurate.
I'm sorry for posting the item and my bad attempt at humor.
There's no problem, we're not the NY Times. But anyway, I propose these guidelines for editing/deleting posts:
- if you've just published the post and need to edit or delete it, just
do it: the probability of anyone having alread read the post is so low there's no need to worry about that.
- if after an hour or more you need to edit the post, edit it and add a
notice at the end of the post (with the editing date in case it's different from publishing date).
- if after an hour or more you need to delete a post, delete its content
and place a deletion notice instead. ("The post was deleted because it contained erroneous facts etc. etc.")
Any comments?
Giovanni
Hi,
On 10/30/06, Ron Teitelbaum Ron@usmedrec.com wrote:
That sounds good. For this article though someone was offended, so I felt it was necessary to delete it entirely and to post an apology in order to prevent any further bad feelings.
perhaps it's a good idea to avoid publishing photos of persons without having asked for their explicit consent beforehand.
As for the article removal, I believe that, in this case, an update stating that there was a comment by Craig would have done. But that's a different story altogether.
Best,
Michael
I considered just posting an update and removing the picture, since he had not responded when I posted the article. I really didn't think I would be offending him at all, but I agree that I should have asked him about the picture first.
I have a lot of respect for Craig, his work, and participation in the community. Since the offense was unintended and he requested it to be deleted, an apology and removal of the article was called for in my opinion. I sent him, and copied you, a separate apology.
Like I said it was a bad attempt a humor and I'll be more careful in the future. I'm sorry if I hurt the team too. We all make mistakes sometimes. It's what I get for doing so many articles so quickly, I got sloppy and insensitive.
Ron
-----Original Message----- From: Michael Haupt [mailto:mhaupt@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 9:21 AM To: Ron@usmedrec.com; The mailing list for the Squeak News Team Subject: Re: RE: [News] Squeak News Retraction
Hi,
On 10/30/06, Ron Teitelbaum Ron@usmedrec.com wrote:
That sounds good. For this article though someone was offended, so I
felt
it was necessary to delete it entirely and to post an apology in order
to
prevent any further bad feelings.
perhaps it's a good idea to avoid publishing photos of persons without having asked for their explicit consent beforehand.
As for the article removal, I believe that, in this case, an update stating that there was a comment by Craig would have done. But that's a different story altogether.
Best,
Michael
All right. On deleted posts, I prefer the "silent way" as exposed by Joel Sposky on http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/BuildingCommunitieswithSo.html
It works great and all the page is a worth read ;) [....]
Q. Why do posts disappear sometimes?
A. The forum is moderated. That means that a few people have the magick powah to delete a post. If the post they delete is the first one in a thread, the thread itself appears deleted because there's no way to get to it.
Q. But that's censorship!
A. No, it's picking up the garbage in the park. If we didn't do it, the signal to noise ratio would change dramatically for the worse. People post spam and get rich schemes, people post antisemitic comments about me, people post nonsense that doesn't make any sense. Some idealistic youngsters may imagine a totally uncensored world as one in which the free exchange of intelligent ideas raises everyone's IQ, an idealized Oxford Debate Society or Speakers' Corner. I am pragmatic and understand that a totally uncensored world just looks like your inbox: 80% spam, advertising, and fraud, rapidly driving away the few interesting people. [...]
On 10/30/06, Giovanni Corriga giovanni@corriga.net wrote:
Il giorno dom, 29/10/2006 alle 22.17 -0500, Ron Teitelbaum ha scritto:
All,
I've deleted a news item I posted because it was inaccurate.
I'm sorry for posting the item and my bad attempt at humor.
There's no problem, we're not the NY Times. But anyway, I propose these guidelines for editing/deleting posts:
- if you've just published the post and need to edit or delete it, just
do it: the probability of anyone having alread read the post is so low there's no need to worry about that.
- if after an hour or more you need to edit the post, edit it and add a
notice at the end of the post (with the editing date in case it's different from publishing date).
- if after an hour or more you need to delete a post, delete its content
and place a deletion notice instead. ("The post was deleted because it contained erroneous facts etc. etc.")
Any comments?
Giovanni
News mailing list News@lists.squeakfoundation.org http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/news
I agree that a silent post of intentional spam or personal attacks makes a lot of sense. This was neither of those. I don't expect that we will be making many more of these mistakes. In general I agree with you solution.
Ron
-----Original Message----- From: news-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org [mailto:news- bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org] On Behalf Of Giovanni Giorgi Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 9:48 AM To: The mailing list for the Squeak News Team Subject: Re: [News] Squeak News Retraction
All right. On deleted posts, I prefer the "silent way" as exposed by Joel Sposky on http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/BuildingCommunitieswithSo.html
It works great and all the page is a worth read ;) [....]
Q. Why do posts disappear sometimes?
A. The forum is moderated. That means that a few people have the magick powah to delete a post. If the post they delete is the first one in a thread, the thread itself appears deleted because there's no way to get to it.
Q. But that's censorship!
A. No, it's picking up the garbage in the park. If we didn't do it, the signal to noise ratio would change dramatically for the worse. People post spam and get rich schemes, people post antisemitic comments about me, people post nonsense that doesn't make any sense. Some idealistic youngsters may imagine a totally uncensored world as one in which the free exchange of intelligent ideas raises everyone's IQ, an idealized Oxford Debate Society or Speakers' Corner. I am pragmatic and understand that a totally uncensored world just looks like your inbox: 80% spam, advertising, and fraud, rapidly driving away the few interesting people. [...]
On 10/30/06, Giovanni Corriga giovanni@corriga.net wrote:
Il giorno dom, 29/10/2006 alle 22.17 -0500, Ron Teitelbaum ha scritto:
All,
I've deleted a news item I posted because it was inaccurate.
I'm sorry for posting the item and my bad attempt at humor.
There's no problem, we're not the NY Times. But anyway, I propose these guidelines for editing/deleting posts:
- if you've just published the post and need to edit or delete it, just
do it: the probability of anyone having alread read the post is so low there's no need to worry about that.
- if after an hour or more you need to edit the post, edit it and add a
notice at the end of the post (with the editing date in case it's different from publishing date).
- if after an hour or more you need to delete a post, delete its content
and place a deletion notice instead. ("The post was deleted because it contained erroneous facts etc. etc.")
Any comments?
Giovanni
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