Squeak-dev January 2001

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Re: 3-button mice on Mac
by JArchibald＠aol.com 26 Jan '01

26 Jan '01

=> 1/25/01 1:08:47 PM, karl.ramberg(a)chello.se => << I was thinking it would be nice to implement color cursors, so it is _really_ clear that it is the red, blue or yellow button pressed. >> Karl, I got a garbled result. Looks like a MIME burp to my mailer. Following is in the text of E-mail, but no additional attachment. <<-------------------- begin 644 cursors.gif M1TE&.#EA,P! *( .<<(C UVFZ07PD+ OSM /___P "P ,P! M #_RBZW/XPRDFKO3CKS;O_8"AB19&5XU(,YK6VX\JZPQP/@4VMA ZN@1Q, MPNL-/<"@#U(TAI+*HZ/I_$"CQ %ANUUJKEBFEMN5DG!!9<TLH/;6G2NKQ*;. M41Q@#9Y]\Y%K,FPJ@7]Q,X(3+VV&>3")$7B,7H"48I:'F%.-5IJ;@W%?*:.D MI::GJ*FJJZRMKJ^PBJ"MB[$,D+:, )X-DD\# +NSM[PTP<(6N)W'R#M[PQ4K MS,U9SS_ TYXRUH#9G,1[W\;'=Z#;X=!BN]R*X>AYA<7G[NF]B.+V]'0;DLJ7 F[R+\/1 DL-*L104/#>N'C]^7AJP2TBJFJEZNBQ@S:MR((0$! #L end>> Jerry.

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Re: Squeak Books!
by Jeff Szuhay 26 Jan '01

26 Jan '01

>Sure -- I started on one at http://guzdial.cc.gatech.edu:8080/personal.138 hmm.. interesting. I've avoided word since 1995 when I had to do a multi-chapter programming course with it. I convinced my employer to buy me FrameMaker. When they asked if I needed training, I said "No" because I was ecstatic they would even let me use "not-Word." As soon as I begin thinking of Frame as "Word on style-sheets" with everything a style sheet, it became a very simple, trusted and reliable friend (I was up to speed in about a week on my own). I've been using Frame ever since for newsletters and such and now would pay for a version with my own money (if it weren't so darned expensive). P-H editors speak from their experience, but mine is completely the opposite. The transition from Word to Frame was very smooth. Jeff 8-) -- ************************************************** Jeff Szuhay A randomly-directed www.szuhay.org chaotical wetware pattern jeff(a)szuhay.org recognizer/generator. Don't look forward to the day you stop suffering, because when it comes you'll know you're dead. -- Tennessee Williams

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RE: Final call for 2.9 updates
by Torsten.Bergmann＠phaidros.com 26 Jan '01

26 Jan '01

I would also vote for including the Whisker browser. Maybe someone is able to change the "Nebraska tips" in the squeak startup screen. Evaluating the mentioned NebraskaServerMorph serveWorld: World will fail, since the startup project is MVC and World is undefined there. A note for evaluating this in a morphic project would be good. Bye Torsten -----Original Message----- From: Bob Arning [mailto:arning@charm.net] Sent: Freitag, 26. Januar 2001 00:32 To: squeak(a)cs.uiuc.edu Subject: Final call for 2.9 updates Squeakers, As you know, Dan plans on wrapping up 2.9 next week and issung a 3.0alpha in preparation for putting Squeak on the web in a bigger way. To that end I will be collecting changes that are good candidates for inclusion into 2.9 before it closes. I will go back through the list looking for stuff that is there, but if you want to lobby/remind/nag for your favorites, let me know in the next few days. Actual change sets or urls are handy, but anything you think will help is good. Cheers, Bob

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Re: C Parser
by Lex Spoon 26 Jan '01

26 Jan '01

"Eric Arseneau" <eat(a)huv.com> wrote: > Does anyone know of a C parser written in Squeak that I could use ? > > I have some C stuff to do with Pocket Smalltalk, and I just find it too > painful to deal with all functions and vars defined in a single file with an > editor that is not very C aware. > To pick a nit, there are very few editors that correctly parse C in real. Besides the fact that parser-editor combos are unpopular nowadays in general, the C that hasn't been preprocessed is extremely hard to write tools for -- the preprocessor can make extreme changes to the syntax, so what's a parser to do? Most C tools that want to be correct, analyze code that's been preprocessed already, but that's not a great option for an editor. What Emacs does is make good guesses. For C, I think there is actually a complicated function that scans around the buffer and tries to figure out what's happening. For most other file formats, Emacs simply uses a list of regular expressions: a variable looks like this, a method header looks like this, and so on. (As a bread generalization, regular expressions are usually wrong, but convenient!) -Lex, who would dearly love Emacs-ish text windows in Squeak

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Re: Speed of Morphic on Linux/iPaq--follow up
by Tim Rowledge 26 Jan '01

26 Jan '01

Kevin Fisher <kgf(a)golden.net> is widely believed to have written: > This is still using an unoptimized 2.9a VM (due to ARM GCC troubles). > Some work on the NetWinder equivalnet problem finally got done the other day; it looks like the optimizer generates a particular floating point instruction that is not being suported properly on the latest NW kernel. It looks like the dame problem afflicts the iPaq, so I'm suspicous of the overall toolchain. I have passed an explanation of the evidence so far to the appropriate (I think) people. Curiously, the older NW kernel has no problem with the instruction and merrily runs the optimised VM. Go figure. tim -- Tim Rowledge, tim(a)sumeru.stanford.edu, http://sumeru.stanford.edu/tim Useful Latin Phrases:- Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione = I'm not interested in your dopey religious cult.

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Celeste poll
by Lex Spoon 26 Jan '01

26 Jan '01

A while back we had some discussion about various features in Celeste. Little was resolved, we all just went along with what's in the image, and I personally just coded my own image to taste and forgot about it. Well, I'm now starting from a new image and bumping into these things again, so I'd like to revisit a few of these things. Probably at least o few people will think the same as I, but then again, there's not a patch in here that *someone* doesn't like. To get started, I'd like to take a quick poll about a few things. I'll post the summary in a week, and we can get an idea of how people are using Celeste and where we should go next. If you've ever used Celeste, your input is appreciated. Feel free to elaborate, too -- this isn't a raw vote count, I just think everyone would like to see what everyone else wants out of this thing. And finally, just so you know, I'll include your full response in the summary unless you ask otherwise -- so if you'd rather be a stealth Celeste user but still be in the survey, you'd better tell me. :) Cheers! -Lex 1. How much do you use Celeste? 2. What do you think of showing a maximum of 200 (or whatever) messages at a time? 3. What do you think of the status line saying "Showing X of Y messages in Z"? 4. What do you think of the "custom filter move" function, where you click and your message goes to an appropriate category automatically? 5. What do you think of the auto-selection of custom menus, where you click "custom" and it will try to pick an appropriate filter depending on what message is selected?

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Re: Final call for 2.9 updates
by Raymond Asselin 26 Jan '01

26 Jan '01

The 25/01/01 at 18:31, Bob Arning <arning(a)charm.net> wrote: > Squeakers, > > As you know, Dan plans on wrapping up 2.9 next week and issung a 3.0alpha in > preparation for putting Squeak on the web in a bigger way. To that end I will be > collecting changes that are good candidates for inclusion into 2.9 before it closes. I > will go back through the list looking for stuff that is there, but if you want to > lobby/remind/nag for your favorites, let me know in the next few days. Actual > change sets or urls are handy, but anything you think will help is good. > > Cheers, > Bob > Hi Bob, I'll appreciate Whisker by Doug Way be in the standard image.... :)

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Re: Squeak as an NT service
by Raymond Asselin 26 Jan '01

26 Jan '01

The 25/01/01 at 18:06, Tim Dawes <tdawes(a)soliloquy.com> wrote: > Well, I was able to get the service running with both accounts. The error > message was due to file permissions, but I still don't have a window. > So now it's back in squeak's court. > Is it possible to interact with Squeak running as a service? > > Tim. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tim Dawes" <tdawes(a)soliloquy.com> > To: <squeak(a)cs.uiuc.edu> > Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2001 5:42 PM > Subject: Re: Squeak as an NT service > I'm not sure but I don't think so, you have to stop the service and launch squeak on the desktop (I figure you want to launch the same image than the service).

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Re: Squeak as an NT service
by Raymond Asselin 26 Jan '01

26 Jan '01

The 25/01/01 at 17:42, Tim Dawes <tdawes(a)soliloquy.com> wrote: > Ok. > > I'm running a Swiki, and I can't login every time the machine re/starts. > But, I'd like to be able apply patches and actually browse code while it's > running. > I guess my problem is this: > "Allow Service to Interact with Desktop" is available only if the service is > running as a LocalSystem account (as specified in the This Account box). > But I can't run it as the LocalSystem account according to this error > message: > "Starting the service is failed. > Error 5:Access is denied." > Is there a way to run it as a LocalSystem account? Well, I guess this is an > NT question now, rather than Squeak. > > Thanks Andreas. > Tim. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Raab, Andreas" <Andreas.Raab(a)disney.com> > To: <squeak(a)cs.uiuc.edu> > Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2001 5:09 PM > Subject: RE: Squeak as an NT service > > > > When you start Squeak as a service you cannot interact with it directly. > > Services are started whether a user is logged on or not, so there's just > no > > window you can see. I'm not sure what you want to do - if you really want > to > > interact with Squeak then it might be better to put it into the Autostart > > (which gets run when a user is logging on so there's a way of interacting > > then). BTW, if you could explain a bit more about what you're trying to do > I > > might be able to give a couple of hints on how to achieve this. > > > > Cheers, > > - Andreas > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Tim Dawes [mailto:tdawes@soliloquy.com] > > > Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2001 1:48 PM > > > To: squeak(a)cs.uiuc.edu > > > Cc: recipient list not shown > > > Subject: Re: Squeak as an NT service > > > > > > > > > Yes I do. > > > I've actually been able to get it to start now, but I can't > > > interact with > > > it. > > > I've tried -headless and without. > > > Tim. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Raab, Andreas" <Andreas.Raab(a)disney.com> > > > To: <squeak(a)cs.uiuc.edu> > > > Cc: "recipient list not shown" <recipientlistnotshown:@disney.com;> > > > Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2001 4:31 PM > > > Subject: RE: Squeak as an NT service > > > > > > > > > > Do you have administrator priviledges on the machine you're > > > running this > > > > on?! Installing a service on NT requires admin rights. > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > - Andreas > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Tim Dawes [mailto:tdawes@soliloquy.com] > > > > > Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2001 1:30 PM > > > > > To: squeak(a)cs.uiuc.edu > > > > > Cc: recipient list not shown > > > > > Subject: Squeak as an NT service > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can anyone provide a tip on running squeak as an NT service? > > > > > I've tried > > > > > C:\squeak\2.8\squeak.exe -service: "Squeak" 2.7.image > > > > > C:\squeak\2.8\squeak.exe -headless -service: "Squeak" 2.7.image > > > > > And a few other combos. I always get the error message: > > > > > "Starting the service is failed. > > > > > Error 5:Access is denied." > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, Tim. > > > > > > > > > TIM, I did it on an NT 4.0 Server. In the comand line, you have to position you in the directory where squeak.exe is. Like "C:\ cd \aNameForADirectoryWhereSqueakIs" you type this: " squeak.exe -service: aNameForTheService squeak.image " and return. NT will ask you if you want to start the service immediately...yes for sure Valid that you use a port different than 80 for the Swiki, may be 8080 because it seems that NT Server reserve this port for is own webServer. Another note, do not put a 'racourci' (this is like an alias-sorry I don't know the english word) in the startUp folder, this can cause you troubles if there is a problem an that someone try to logon the alias in the startUp folder will try to launch the swiki a second time. Hope this help... Raymond

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Re: Squeak as an NT service
by Jeff Szuhay 25 Jan '01

25 Jan '01

>Is there a way to run it as a LocalSystem account? Well, I guess this is an >NT question now, rather than Squeak. I am thinking about running s Swiki on a schools NT server so I guess I am going to have the same problems when I try to set it up. Has anybody gotten a Swiki running on NT (ahem) Windwos 2000? Jeff 8-) -- ************************************************** Jeff Szuhay A randomly-directed www.szuhay.org chaotical wetware pattern jeff(a)szuhay.org recognizer/generator. A man should hear a little music, read a little poetry, and see a fine picture every day of his life, in order that worldly cares may not obliterate the sense of the beautiful which God has implanted in the human soul. -- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, German writer and scientist (1749-1832)

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