Squeak-dev May 2001

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Re: Squeakland Evolution project thingy
by Sam Adams 31 May '01

31 May '01

After carefully reading the many recent posts on this topic, I would like to strongly suggest that those on the list who want to discuss matters of faith, and that includes the faith in evolution, chaos, complexity, or God, please take them to another forum. As I understand it, the Squeak community is one based on a common interest in using and advancing certain software technologies, not personal ideologies (scientific, religious, or otherwise). It is one thing to discuss astrophysical simulation (at any scale) or generative variation/selection (evolutionary) algorithms, but this "we, the enlightened of science" vs "they, the endarkened of faith" kind of discussion presumes a uniformity of belief on this list and presses a defacto statement of faith on its membership. I do not think any of us either believe this uniformity exists or want this result, so please have some consideration for those of your Squeak "brethren"(and "sistren" !) who may not share your ideology or wish to discuss it on this list. Do we really want this already very full list to be cluttered with such things? If you quote Dawkins or Kaufman (both of which I read), not for technical reference but in defense of your ideology, how would you react if others quote Jesus, Paul, or selections from Ecclesiastes (which I also read, and believe) with equal force in defence of theirs? Innapropriate for the list? "Go and do likewise" - Jesus As for the *content* of applications that some member of the list *uses* Squeak to create, I do not believe the list should stand in judgement as an open forum. What anyone posts on BobsSuperSwiki, like any swiki, is their own responsibility, unless of course the swiki master sets and enforces limits. This should be true for the 8 year old in an open school, the members of SqC or anyone else. How would you react to a long discussion on the list of the literary and spiritual merits of an interactive essay on the book of Philippians or, say, an interactive essay on comparative religion from an Islamic perspective? But would that essay be allowed on the SuperSwiki as an example use of Squeak technology? My point is this. If we succeed in creating a truly wonderful environment for dynamic and interactive media, and succeed in getting many in the world to use it, they will create there own content without our permission or ideological agreement. As a technologist, that is what I expect and that's good enough for me. As a christian, I choose to take my stand on matters of faith in other forums. Go and do likewise. Sam S. Adams, IBM Distinguished Engineer, IBM Research tie line 444-0736, outside 919-254-0736, email: ssadams(a)us.ibm.com <<Hebrews 11:6, Proverbs 3:5-6, Romans 1:16-17, I Corinthians 1:10>>

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RE: Wormhole Instability (was Why do things keep changing?)
by Jarvis, Robert P. (Contingent) 31 May '01

31 May '01

Ouch - that came out harsher than I meant. To be fair to the people at UIUC, who have been incredibly generous in the support of the Squeak and Smalltalk communities, my observation is that *ALL* list servers have problems. Bob Jarvis Compuware @ Timken > -----Original Message----- > From: Jarvis, Robert P. (Contingent) > Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 8:17 AM > To: 'squeak(a)cs.uiuc.edu' > Subject: RE: Wormhole Instability (was Why do things keep changing?) > Importance: High > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: JArchibald(a)aol.com [mailto:JArchibald@aol.com] > > Aha! Now I understand Fleeberz's comment: "I've only had a > > few bounces in the last 17 years or so". > > > > THEY ARE BOTH WRITING TO US FROM SEVENTEEN YEARS IN THE FUTURE. > > AND THE MAILING LIST IS STILL SCREWING UP !!! > > Yes, well...isn't it nice to know that despite the ups and > the downs, the > vicissitudes of life, the general tendency towards chaos and > anarchy, and > the lack of a good five cent cigar, one can count on some > things and say, > "Well, no matter what else may happen you can always count on > the Squeak > list server to have problems". It's rather endearing, really... :-) > > Bob Jarvis > Compuware @ Timken >

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RE: Wormhole Instability (was Why do things keep changing?)
by Jarvis, Robert P. (Contingent) 31 May '01

31 May '01

> -----Original Message----- > From: JArchibald(a)aol.com [mailto:JArchibald@aol.com] > Aha! Now I understand Fleeberz's comment: "I've only had a > few bounces in the last 17 years or so". > > THEY ARE BOTH WRITING TO US FROM SEVENTEEN YEARS IN THE FUTURE. > AND THE MAILING LIST IS STILL SCREWING UP !!! Yes, well...isn't it nice to know that despite the ups and the downs, the vicissitudes of life, the general tendency towards chaos and anarchy, and the lack of a good five cent cigar, one can count on some things and say, "Well, no matter what else may happen you can always count on the Squeak list server to have problems". It's rather endearing, really... :-) Bob Jarvis Compuware @ Timken

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Re: Need help
by JArchibald＠aol.com 31 May '01

31 May '01

=> 5/31/01 7:23:38 AM EDT, Brent.Pinkney(a)reuters.com => << Still the most beautiful is 1000 factorial / 999 factorial >> That is cute. Impressive is the speed of computation (thanks partially to Stephan and LargeIntegersPlugin). If you look at the intermediate results, the time to display 1000 factorial and 999 factorial dwarfs the speed of just performing the computation and displaying only the final result. Jerry. ____________________________ Jerry L. Archibald systemObjectivesIncorporated ____________________________

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Re: Need help
by Brent Pinkney 31 May '01

31 May '01

Still the most beautiful is 1000 factorial / 999 factorial. In fact I use it in most technical interviews I give. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Visit our Internet site at http://www.reuters.com Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of Reuters Ltd.

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mail dropout :-(
by Karl Ramberg 31 May '01

31 May '01

I compared the list of mails I got this afternoon with the list on egroups: I got 9. egroups had 23 in the same period :-( Anybody else experiencing this ? Karl

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VMMaker & Mac and a few people needed...
by John M McIntosh 31 May '01

31 May '01

Wheee, I just built a mac VM from nothing, well nothing I normally use for building the VM. I'm also at the point of pushing things out the door. But I need a few of you who have Code Warrior and want to build a VM to volunteer to try and build a VM from scratch, just so I know I'm not cheating anywhere. So email me and I'll send you the 1300K of files you need to build the VM, plus the mpeg3 plugin, the applescript plugin, and the FFI plugin. You'll also need the OpenGL SDK from Apple. I'm also interesting in having someone write the HOWTO build a MAC VM document! it's those little things I leave out of the readme that zaps people in the middle of the night. -- -- =========================================================================== John M. McIntosh <johnmci(a)smalltalkconsulting.com> 1-800-477-2659 Corporate Smalltalk Consulting Ltd. http://www.smalltalkconsulting.com ===========================================================================

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Hello (newbe) - questions!
by Aaron Alpar 31 May '01

31 May '01

Hi guys/gals ... This is just a message to introduce myself and ask some newbe questions... It's good to see that Smalltalk-80 is alive and Kicking! I used to work with some of you at ParcPlace as a ST-80 developer working on O/R mapping stuff (before the move and before the acquisitions). Anyhow - it's good to see that things are moving along. Questions: - I still have some *old* ST-80 images with some good code that I'd like to resurrect. Will the old images work? - I imagine that there wont be any problems with me importing sources (If ThingLab still works). Is there anything I should know about? Ta! - Aaron Alpar

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RE: Squeakland Evolution project thingy
by Noel J. Bergman 31 May '01

31 May '01

Richard, > See "The Evolution of Morality" by Axelrod, also a comparatively recent book > called "Artificial Morality", I forget the author's name. Thanks for the reference. Craig send me an e-mail mentioning that Doug Hofstadter had written on the subject in Metamagical Themas. --- Noel

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Re: Wormhole Instability (was Why do things keep changing?)
by JArchibald＠aol.com 31 May '01

31 May '01

=> 5/30/01 8:32:12 PM EDT, noel(a)devtech.com => << << The timestamp on Alan's mail (5:32 PM -0700 10/15/18) does not fit any dating scheme I'm aware of. >> I figured that it was December (sic -- October) 15th, 2018. >> Aha! Now I understand Fleeberz's comment: "I've only had a few bounces in the last 17 years or so". THEY ARE BOTH WRITING TO US FROM SEVENTEEN YEARS IN THE FUTURE. AND THE MAILING LIST IS STILL SCREWING UP !!! Cheers, Jerry. ____________________________ Jerry L. Archibald systemObjectivesIncorporated ____________________________

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