Squeak-dev October 2005

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Jon's Web Browser somewhere ?
by Samir Saidani 25 Oct '05

25 Oct '05

Hi, I would like to play a little with Jon's Web Browser (http://www.huv.com/smalltalk/browser.html), and didn't manage to find the sources. Searching into the squeak-dev archive gives two broken links : http://www.huv.com/smalltalk/MvBrowser.tar.gz http://www.huv.com/smalltalk/OriginalSource.tar.gz Does anyone know how could I get one of this tarball ? Thanks at all ! Samir

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Jon's Web Browser somewhere ?
by David Faught 25 Oct '05

25 Oct '05

Samir Saidani wrote: >I would like to play a little with Jon's Web Browser >(http://www.huv.com/smalltalk/browser.html), and didn't manage to find >the sources. Searching into the squeak-dev archive gives two broken >links : >http://www.huv.com/smalltalk/MvBrowser.tar.gz >http://www.huv.com/smalltalk/OriginalSource.tar.gz > >Does anyone know how could I get one of this tarball ? Poor Jon has answered this many times in the past on this mailing list. The gist of the answer is that he did this project under contract and the contract owner owns the software. They did not make it publicly available. __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com

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Jon's Web Browser somewhere ?
by David Faught 25 Oct '05

25 Oct '05

Jon Hylands wrote: >No, actually, that's incorrect. I did do it under contract, but the >company paying the bills (Interval Research) released the software we >wrote to the individual authors when the project ended. > >So, I do own the rights to the browser, and I have made the source >code available (see my previous message). I stand corrected! Sorry for the misinformation. And thanks for making the code available! __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com

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RE: Smalltalk at oopsla
by Ramon Leon 25 Oct '05

25 Oct '05

There were several informal squeak demo's just after the Croquet talk for those Smalltalkers that hung around, there were only about 15 or so of us. > -----Original Message----- > From: squeak-dev-bounces(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org > [mailto:squeak-dev-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org] On > Behalf Of Alexandre Bergel > Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 12:28 AM > To: The general-purpose Squeak developers list > Subject: Re: Smalltalk at oopsla > > Smalltalk has revealed to be an important programming > language. This means that the Smalltalk communities is doing well. > However, we (and especially I) could have done much better. > For instance, there were no demo of Squeak or Seaside. Which > would have really been a positive move. > > Regards, > Alexandre > > > On Oct 20, 2005, at 6:58 PM, Alejandro F. Reimondo wrote: > > > > Hi Alexandre, > > Thank you for the comments on OOPSLA. > > > > > > > >> like: "Eclipse tries to achieve something that Smalltalk > did 20 years > >> ago, and remains still behind". The room was completely > full at that > >> time. > >> > >> > > > > Most people on Java side see Object Orientation as a path to Object > > Technology. > > Under this point of view, pointing to Smalltalk guaranties > reaching > > the target some day in an hypothetical future. > > One of the "side effects" of this pov is that smalltalkers > with weak > > education try to reduce/formalize/force Smalltalk to be > defined as an > > object "oriented" language. > > On both sides of the path people is working on building a > bridge and > > wasting time and efforts. > > > > Comments on projections from OO to OT reminds me the > comments on Java > > programming that can be read on Tim's web site at > > http://www.rowledge.org/tim/squeak/index.html > > > > And also make me remember a company trying to building a bridge to > > Smalltalk for Java people and wasting money given by Smalltalk > > customers... > > > > We have a lot of evidence that show that singular elements > present in > > any Smalltalk Ambience and it's modes of non-formal use are > not simple > > projections of formal methods (reduction to objects). > > > > IMHO we must try to reflect on this elements and activities > that let > > us build organisms (and not only draw architectures) and > reinforce the > > underlying technology to make real/independent advances in O.T. > > I think that advances in O.T. do not implies better multimedia nor > > easy/innocent use of Smalltalk ambiences. > > > > The direction of real advance, imo, is in non-formal activities and > > education that can be realized using Smalltalk as a medium for > > Education in Ambience. > > With this objectives I have founded Smalltalking ( > > http://www.smalltalking.net ) some years ago, and have > found that it > > is very difficult to make a real advance in O.T. because people > > continuously are trying to see "the bridge" > > and think that all can be reduced to objects and the only > they can do > > is to assemble machines and formalize/draw architectures. > > > > Informatics as a concecuence of computation and consumption... > > Objects as products of formalizations. > > > > All people doing the same that is demonstrated that produce > > unmanageable results and "side effects". > > We have in Smalltalk the support for education on open systems. > > e.g. to make activities that complement formal design and > reduce the > > application of formal method/prediction to well known pieces. > > > > We have (in Smalltalking) documentation on this approach and > > experiences collected on real ambients and some in > Smalltalk but most > > of the material is written in Spanish. > > Today is difficult to find people with real interests in > non-formal > > activities and education. > > Smalltalk has a real value as a support for information > processes and > > EA. > > > > best, > > Ale. > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Alexandre Bergel" <bergel(a)iam.unibe.ch> > > To: "Squeak List" <squeak-dev(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org>; > > <esug-list(a)lists.esug.org> > > Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2005 4:52 PM > > Subject: Smalltalk at oopsla > > > > > > > > > >> Hello, > >> > >> Today is the last day of oopsla. It was a really cool > surprise to see > >> how many times Smalltalk was cited during talks and how many > >> compliments it obtained. Here some particular moment I enjoyed: > >> - Before the keynote of Mary Beth, James Noble said something > >> like: "Eclipse tries to achieve something that Smalltalk > did 20 years > >> ago, and remains still behind". The room was completely > full at that > >> time. > >> - The room where the Croquet workshop hold was > completely full, > >> even if the organization was a bit shaky (please, do not > take it bad > >> :-), this was really cool! The room was completely full, > and it did > >> not contains only smalltalkers, but also people who were > just curious > >> and wanted to learn more. > >> - David Reed gave a talk on Croquet, and the room was really > >> big, and was completely full. > >> - Roel Wuyts was chair of the Symposium on Dynamic Languages. > >> And again, the room was too small to contain all the attendees :-) > >> Especially for the very last talk given by Brian Foote; > the doors had > >> to left open in order to make people standing outside able to > >> listen. > >> - Martin McClure organized a Squeak BOF. That was really cool. > >> Again, some people came here just to learn more about squeak/ > >> smalltalk. > >> > >> I was also delighted to see that some technical > presentations in the > >> research tracks shown DrScheme into action. Kathryn did a > demo using > >> DrScheme, and it was really cool! > >> > >> Also, I felt that Smalltalk had more attention than Ruby and other > >> Python. This oopsla was a wonderful opportunity to meet people in > >> real. > >> > >> Keep going Smalltalkers! We have cool things to show, and > we have to > >> show them! > >> I would like to give big hands to Roel and Martin to have > organized > >> their events. > >> > >> Cheers, > >> Alexandre > >> -- > >> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > >> Alexandre Bergel http://www.iam.unibe.ch/~bergel > >> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > -- > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > Alexandre Bergel http://www.iam.unibe.ch/~bergel > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > > >

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Demo: bug/wishlist voting system
by Cees De Groot 25 Oct '05

25 Oct '05

With all the remarks about what itches to scratch and who should be paying for what (like anyone here has money, heh ;-)), I got the idea to rig up a little voting system. http://de-1.tric.nl/seaside/sqp/list has a demo. You can add entries, and vote on anyone's entries. Depending on your SqueakPeople ranking, you have 5 (apprentice), 10 (journeyer) or 15 (master) votes, and you lose one vote per item you add (in other words, you must always vote on your own items). You can spend as many votes per item as you like. This is all untested, primitive, etcetera. I'll try to keep the thing running and not to lose the buglist, but as I didn't get around building persistency, no guarantees :-) The code can be found in the SqueakPeople project on Squeak Source. Regards, Cees

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Arcs?
by TJ Leone 25 Oct '05

25 Oct '05

Hi, Does Squeak have a class like the Arc2D class in Java? I want to be able to create arcs, circle segments and sectors of arbitrary orientation, central angle, and radius length and change them on the fly. If there isn't such a class, how would I go about creating one? I'm a total Smalltalk newbie. I know there's a class called CurveMorph and I think I saw a method called beSmoothCurve someplace, but I don't know anything about drawing programmatically with Squeak. --TJ TJ Leone Leone Learning Systems, Inc. 237 Custer Ave Evanston, IL 60202 Email: tj(a)leonelearningsystems.com Phone: (847) 951-0127 Fax: (847) 733-8812 Web: http://www.leonelearningsystems.com

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[OT]: Sequencing software and Visualworks
by Chris Schreiner 25 Oct '05

25 Oct '05

I read in a blogg sometime ago about a piece of software that was in development. It's an arrangment tool to construct chord progressions (supposedly written using Visualworks). I cannot find this using google, can anyone here point me to this? Sorry for being OT. chrisp

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REMINDER: Squeak Chat Wednesday October 26th 00:00 GMT
by Ken Causey 25 Oct '05

25 Oct '05

Just a reminder that the next Squeak Chat will take place between 00:00 (Midnight) and 04:00 (4 AM) GMT Wednesday October 26th, 2005. As usual we will meet in #squeak on irc.freenode.net. More information about the #squeak IRC channel can be found at http://people.squeakfoundation.org/article/7.html This is a good time to contribute to the development of Squeak by participating in the Harvesting Process. One of the main ways to contribute is by Reviewing submitted fixes and enhancements. For information about the Harvesting Process see http://minnow.cc.gatech.edu/squeak/3152 If you have the time please attend and work toward the future of Squeak. The next seven chats are scheduled for 04:00 (04:00 AM) GMT Sunday October 30, 2005 08:00 (08:00 AM) GMT Thursday November 03, 2005 12:00 (12:00 PM) GMT Monday November 07, 2005 16:00 (04:00 PM) GMT Friday November 11, 2005 20:00 (08:00 PM) GMT Tuesday November 15, 2005 00:00 (12:00 AM) GMT Sunday November 20, 2005 04:00 (04:00 AM) GMT Thursday November 24, 2005

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Re: Squeak (file system & project structure) newbie questions
by Chris Muller 25 Oct '05

25 Oct '05

> Hm, there seems to be a problem with the saving and loading from the > preference panel, but not from the preference browser I only know of one preference panel/browser.. The one that pops up when I select "apprearence..." | "preferences...". What's the other one you're talking about?

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box1.squeakfoundation.org Last Call
by Cees De Groot 24 Oct '05

24 Oct '05

Hi, We think that most services have been transplanted from box1 to box2. One notable exception is SqueakMap, however there may be more. This is a listing of /home on box1: drwxr-x--x 5 bfav bfav 4096 Jul 6 22:28 bfav drwxr-x--x 3 website website 4096 Feb 8 2005 biweekly drwxr-x--x 4 bvukmer bvukmer 4096 Sep 1 17:34 bvukmer drwxr-x--x 7 discuss discuss 4096 Jul 12 17:03 discuss drwxr-x--x 2 ftp nogroup 4096 Mar 9 2005 ftp drwxr-x--x 5 kencausey kencausey 4096 Jul 11 16:56 kencausey drwxr-x--x 3 website website 4096 Feb 14 2005 mailbuddy drwxr-x--x 2 oftpd nogroup 4096 Feb 21 2005 oftpd drwxr-sr-x 6 root staff 4096 Feb 4 2005 sqf drwxr-x--x 4 sqfiles sqfiles 4096 Jul 12 13:36 sqfiles drwxr-x--x 6 squeakmap squeakmap 4096 Oct 22 13:22 squeakmap drwxr-x--x 7 website website 16384 Jul 16 07:34 website drwxr-sr-x 4 www-data staff 4096 Jul 15 17:56 www If you recognize something, please shout, or better: take action to move your stuff away. I will cancel the contract for box1 this month, which means that as far as I'm concerned the machine will be available through 30 November. At the end of November, we'll rsync all the data over to a safe area on box2 but any running services will magically disappear at that time, of course :)

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