Squeak-dev January 2008

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Re: beware GNU Smalltalk if you want to contribute to squeak
by chunsj＠embian.com 10 Jan '08

10 Jan '08

If GPL does not prevent users from using Seaside in GST, then using Seaside in GST - if ported - can be meaningful. In fact I'm very curious on the Seaside performance(of my application) in GST(with JIT). Importing GST's code to Seaside will be problematic because it can cause License conflict problem. But I'm not sure on every part/usage of GST is GPL; it might be similar case of GLibC... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randal L. Schwartz" <merlyn(a)stonehenge.com> To: squeak-dev(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org Sent: 08-01-09 07:34:07 Subject: beware GNU Smalltalk if you want to contribute to squeak Basically, keep in mind that GNU Smalltalk is GPL, and therefore, incompatible with Squeak's license. Oops. Don't look inside. Keep a safe "clean-room" distance from any code in GST. Also posted on <http://methodsandmessages.vox.com/library/post/beware-gnu-smalltalk-if-you-…>. -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 <merlyn(a)stonehenge.com> <URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/> Perl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl training!

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Senders, Implementors browser - how about a "Sendees" browser?
by itsme213 10 Jan '08

10 Jan '08

Senders: aMessage -> set of methods (that send aMessage) Implementors: aMessage -> set of methods (that implement aMessage) Sendees: method -> set of messages (AS SENT by THAT method). Does such a browser exist? It would be useful when browsing a particular method, rather than repeatedly clicking around in the code pane to understand more fully a method (as I do). Selecting from the set of sent messages would either show its code (for self-sends, known implementor), or show a further list of its implementors (for non-self-sends, could be many implementors; or if you have RoelTyper or something fancy installed, could further narrow by type inference). ========================================= |*method A | messgA1 |implementors of messgA2 | method B |*messgA2 |.... | | |.... | | | ========================================= |code pane | self messgA1. | bar messgA2. | ============================ It this an OB structure? Sophie

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squeakmap and EOCD Position
by Norbert Hartl 10 Jan '08

10 Jan '08

Hi, I have a strange thing trying to load the Glorp package via squeakmap. If I try to load the package I get the "Can't find EOCD Position" which is correct as the data which is returned contains an html page with the login form from squeakmap. If I go to the squeakmap entry and to the version and click on the URL of this entry I get a window with binary data. I assume this is the sar file. Does anybody have an idea why the install action in squeakmap triggers the login form while downloading from the URL works just perfect? Norbert

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Porting Squeak to iPod touch
by Mathieu Suen 10 Jan '08

10 Jan '08

Hi All, Dose anyone have try to install/port Squeak on a ipod touch? The ipod have a ARM processor IIRC there is a version running for an ARM processor. So I should be able to compile the source for a ARM processor. Thanks Mth

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Considering moving to Mac - questions about Squeak on Mac
by itsme213 09 Jan '08

09 Jan '08

How does the Squeak on Mac experience compare to Windows? - fonts - stability - consistency with OS (mouse, modifier keys, etc.) - packages to integrate with OS - any others? Thanks - Sophie

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Re: beware GNU Smalltalk if you want to contribute to squeak
by merlyn＠stonehenge.com 09 Jan '08

09 Jan '08

>>>>> "chunsj" == chunsj <chunsj(a)embian.com> writes: chunsj> I agree with you on using GST code for squeak is not clear. No, we don't agree on that. I'm saying that it's *clear* that using GST code (or any derivative) *for the squeak core distro* is *not allowed*. chunsj> But frankly speaking, for me, GPL seems better one in terms of social chunsj> wealth; it can make it sure that the result be returned to the chunsj> community/society. And here, we don't agree on this either. The GPL trades one set of freedoms for another. The BSD/Apache/MIT/Perl license trades a different set of freedoms for another. There's is nothing inherently *better* about the GPL. But the fact is, the GPL and the BSD-family licenses do not play well together, and Squeak is under a BSD-family license. Therefore, if you *want* to *ever* contribute to the Squeak core distro, you clearly cannot look at GST to copy code, and to be safer, you cannot even *look* at the code in fear of implementing Squeak code in a provably similar way. Please maintain a clean-room distance! -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 <merlyn(a)stonehenge.com> <URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/> Perl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl training!

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Re: beware GNU Smalltalk if you want to contribute to squeak
by chunsj＠embian.com 09 Jan '08

09 Jan '08

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Re: Re: [Q] WAListener and WAFileLibrary problem
by chunsj＠embian.com 08 Jan '08

08 Jan '08

With your given value, it does represent the Han Character proniunced as(in Korea, chinese or japanese would have different pronunciation) "Ye". As I said in my previous mail and as Paolo said, above character is Hanja or Chinses letter so I cannot determine whether it's Chinese, Japanese or Korean. For example, with 'a' or'A' you cannot say that it's English or French or so. But given character is one of Hangul, then I can say it's Hangul and it probably represents Korean(though other language can be represented with Hangul). Sorry for my poor english. PS) Why we or other east asian countries have been using Han? Tha't because they didn't have their own alphabet. For example, We, Koean also had been used Hanja until Hangul was invented(at the time of Sejong, the Great, if you want to know history :-). ----- Original Message ----- From: Paolo Bonzini <bonzini(a)gnu.org> To: The general-purpose Squeak developers list <squeak-dev(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org> Cc: chunsj(a)embian.com Sent: 08-01-07 01:49:38 Subject: Re: [Q] WAListener and WAFileLibrary problem Philippe Marschall wrote: > So how do you know whether the utf-8 byte sequence 0xE4 0xB8 0x8E > (U+4E0E) is generic Chinese, traditional Chinese, simplified Chinese, > Japanese or Korean? Korean only uses CJK alphabets in a few cases (some person names, for example). Most of the time they use a phonetic/syllabic alphabet called Hangul which uses a different Unicode block. Paolo

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Squeak code broswer on the web - help needed
by Janko Mivšek 08 Jan '08

08 Jan '08

Hi Squeakers, Has anyone a little time to help me developing this browser of Squeak code on the web? Currently a CSS design is on the way, then different views on the code, then better search, look into the packages directly from Monticelo repositories, etc etc. Very interesting project, indeed! One of ideas is also to help document writers to write docs easier. Prototype is on-line here: http://squeak.aidaweb.si:8000 Its repository is here: http://www.squeaksource.com/AidaBrowser.html Best regards Janko -- Janko Mivšek AIDA/Web Smalltalk Web Application Server http://www.aidaweb.si

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Squeak code now browsable and bookmarkable on the Web
by Janko Mivšek 08 Jan '08

08 Jan '08

Dear Squeakers, Latest debate about documentation, accessing of source from the web and Google indexing warmed me to the point that I made a first glimpse of a web interface to code in Squeak image: http://squeak.aidaweb.si:8000 This is a newest Damien's squeak-web image and if, for instance, you'd like to see the code of that web app, here is its bookmarkable Url: http://squeak.aidaweb.si:8000/category/aidabrowser.html Everything is bookmarkable: class categories, classes, methods. That way it is very easy to email someone a link to some code in your image. Yes, your own image can soon be accessible from the web that way! Best regards Janko -- Janko Mivšek AIDA/Web Smalltalk Web Application Server http://www.aidaweb.si

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