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Squeak Oversight Board
by Ron Teitelbaum 10 Feb '14

10 Feb '14

Hi All, You still have about an hour to announce your candidacy for the Squeak Oversight Board. Nominations close at 3pm Eastern Time http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?p0=263 <http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?p0=263&iso=20140210T15&msg=Squ eak%20Oversight%20Board%20Nominations%20Ends> &iso=20140210T15&msg=Squeak%20Oversight%20Board%20Nominations%20Ends All the best, Ron Teitelbaum

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Re: [Pharo-dev] [gsoc-mentors] The truth on GSOC, ESUG and bad attitude
by phil＠highoctane.be 10 Feb '14

10 Feb '14

Guys, >From the outside it just looks like a couple of spoiled kids battling in the kindergarten. All of this is not moving Smalltalk and Pharo any single bit forward. Backwards, there is a fair chance. Now, could you take this discussion elsewhere? Pick up a phone and talk. Who cares if anyone is right? Oh yeah, EUR 4K, what a huge amount to fight over for an European org... (rolleyes). Phil On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 8:29 AM, Luc Fabresse <luc.fabresse(a)gmail.com>wrote: > Hi Janko, > > I do not have all numbers at hand now but in 2013 there were 4 extra-GSOC > but we paid only 3 because one student gave up (Jean-Baptiste Beuzelin). > So yes you are probably right that it remains money if we integrate last > year BUT we were willing to spend it. > > Luc > > > 2014-02-09 Janko Mivšek <janko.mivsek(a)eranova.si>: > >> Dear all, >> >> First to Luc: from your numbers it is clear that you are not to be >> blamed on anything, because you were obviously misinformed and misguided. >> >> Facts namely are: >> >> 1. GSoC mentors decided to pay extra stipendiums 3000 USD [1] while >> ESUG without approval paid 2000 more, 5000 USD, without any report >> back to GSoC mentors, >> >> 2. GSoC mentors decided to add past GSoC2012 amount to the pool for >> paying extra projects [2][3]. >> >> Calculation (without the Summit expenses) therefore is: >> >> Income: GSoC 2012 13x 500 = 6.500 USD >> GSoC 2013 13x 500 = 6.500 USD >> ------------------------------ >> 13.000 USD >> >> Expenses: >> Extra stipendiums: 3x 3.000 = 9.000 USD >> >> Difference: + 4.000 USD >> >> If ESUG would follow the decisions of GSoC mentors it wouldn't loose any >> money but gain 4.000 USD. >> >> Those that misinformed and misguided you needs therefore to apologize to >> you Luc, to the GSoC mentors and to me as admin! >> >> Janko >> >> [1] >> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/smalltalk-gsoc-mentors/Yrlj8dIgGPg >> [2] >> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/smalltalk-gsoc-mentors/WwnxpkXzAB8 >> [3] >> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/smalltalk-gsoc-mentors/tR44jdPT5Hw >> >> >> Dne 09. 02. 2014 17:26, piše Luc Fabresse: >> > Hi all, >> > >> > ------------ >> > FACTS >> > >> > As you all know, I am the ESUG treasurer. >> > So please find the numbers attached for the ESUG support of GSOC >> > projects in 2013. >> > >> > ESUG sponsored 3 "extra-GSOC" meaning extra slots not accepted by >> Google. >> > In the file it is: Alejandro Infante, Pablo Estefo and Benjamin Arezki. >> > >> > All in all we paid: >> > - 3695EUR (~5000USD at that time i.e. same cost as a regular GSOC) each >> > projects >> > - Serge trip to Mentor summit >> > >> > And we received 5552EUR from Google >> > >> > so yes we lost ~6582EUR >> > That is easy 13*500 USD would only cover 1 plain extra-Gsoc and we >> > sponsorized 3. >> > >> > I also think that it is important to send someone to the GSoc mentor >> > summit because it participates to the fact that Google recognizes ESUG >> > ang gives slots the next year. >> > >> > It is alos important to note dates. >> > ESUG paid first and then has been refund by Google. >> > It would not be possible to do it without ESUG. >> > >> > ------------ >> > FROM HERE, MY POINT OF VIEW ON THIS STORY: >> > >> > As some of you know, I doing the ESUG treasury stuff on my *own* time >> > and it takes a lot! >> > I am doing it because I strongly believe that Smalltalk (all falvors!) >> > is a really great language that should be more widespread. >> > >> > I also completely open to discussions. >> > The ESUG board can also explain its actions and even money status. >> > I can do errors too. >> > So if Janko wants some details on GSOC related money, JUST ASK! >> > >> > I cannot admit that: >> > >> > - Janko wrote about some money accusation. This is directly directed >> > against the treasurer so me. >> > And honestly, just reading again that I am biased and that I hide or >> > steal money make me think that I should better quit. >> > >> > - Janko asked for apologies! what is that? even if I would have done a >> > mistake (and ESUG did not loose money), YOU STILL MUST THANK ME for >> > DOING THIS BORING TASK! and then I can correct mistakes if any >> > >> > - People wants an answer fast, this conversation started yesterday and I >> > am spending my week-end with my kids >> > >> > >> > I am really fed up with this kind of attitude. >> > Stop accuse, better ask, discuss and we will solve the problems together >> > if any. >> > But I think it will never happen... >> > >> > #Luc >> > The disgusted Treasurer of ESUG who will finish his week-end in bad mood >> > >> >> >> -- >> Janko Mivšek >> Smalltalk GSoC Admin Team >> > >

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The Inbox: MorphicTests-mt.25.mcz
by commits＠source.squeak.org 10 Feb '14

10 Feb '14

A new version of MorphicTests was added to project The Inbox: http://source.squeak.org/inbox/MorphicTests-mt.25.mcz ==================== Summary ==================== Name: MorphicTests-mt.25 Author: mt Time: 10 February 2014, 1:01:25.418 pm UUID: 34cb1bd1-07a7-c44d-8c39-860fa5862ab4 Ancestors: MorphicTests-nice.24 Tests added for Morphic-mt.721 =============== Diff against MorphicTests-nice.24 =============== Item was added: + ----- Method: MorphTest>>createAndAddMorphs: (in category 'support') ----- + createAndAddMorphs: someNames + + (self createMorphs: #(a b)) do: [:newMorph | + morph addMorphBack: newMorph].! Item was added: + ----- Method: MorphTest>>createMorphs: (in category 'support') ----- + createMorphs: someNames + + ^ someNames collect: [:nm | Morph new name: nm]! Item was added: + ----- Method: MorphTest>>getSubmorph: (in category 'support') ----- + getSubmorph: name + + ^ morph submorphs detect: [:m | m knownName = name]! Item was added: + ----- Method: MorphTest>>getSubmorphNames (in category 'support') ----- + getSubmorphNames + + ^ morph submorphs collect: [:m | m knownName asSymbol]! Item was added: + ----- Method: MorphTest>>getSubmorphs: (in category 'support') ----- + getSubmorphs: someNames + + ^ someNames collect: [:nm | self getSubmorph: nm]! Item was added: + ----- Method: MorphTest>>testAddAllMorphs (in category 'testing - add/remove submorphs') ----- + testAddAllMorphs + + self createAndAddMorphs: #(a b). + self assert: #(a b) equals: self getSubmorphNames. + + morph addAllMorphs: (self createMorphs: #(x y)). + self assert: #(a b x y) equals: self getSubmorphNames. + + morph removeAllMorphs. + morph addAllMorphs: (self createMorphs: #(x y)). + self assert: #(x y) equals: self getSubmorphNames.! Item was added: + ----- Method: MorphTest>>testAddAllMorphsAfter (in category 'testing - add/remove submorphs') ----- + testAddAllMorphsAfter + + self createAndAddMorphs: #(a b). + self assert: #(a b) equals: self getSubmorphNames. + + morph + addAllMorphs: (self createMorphs: #(x y)) + after: (self getSubmorph: #a). + self assert: #(a x y b) equals: self getSubmorphNames. + + morph + addAllMorphs: (self getSubmorphs: #(x y)) + after: (self getSubmorph: #b). + self assert: #(a b x y) equals: self getSubmorphNames. + + morph + addAllMorphs: (self getSubmorphs: #(a x)) + after: (self getSubmorph: #y). + self assert: #(b y a x) equals: self getSubmorphNames. + + morph + addAllMorphs: (self getSubmorphs: #(x y)) + after: (self getSubmorph: #a). + self assert: #(b a x y) equals: self getSubmorphNames.! Item was added: + ----- Method: MorphTest>>testAddAllMorphsInFrontOf (in category 'testing - add/remove submorphs') ----- + testAddAllMorphsInFrontOf + + self createAndAddMorphs: #(a b). + self assert: #(a b) equals: self getSubmorphNames. + + morph + addAllMorphs: (self createMorphs: #(x y)) + inFrontOf: (self getSubmorph: #b). + self assert: #(a x y b) equals: self getSubmorphNames. + + morph + addAllMorphs: (self getSubmorphs: #(x y)) + inFrontOf: (self getSubmorph: #a). + self assert: #(x y a b) equals: self getSubmorphNames. + + morph + addAllMorphs: (self getSubmorphs: #(y b)) + inFrontOf: (self getSubmorph: #x). + self assert: #(y b x a) equals: self getSubmorphNames. + + morph + addAllMorphs: (self getSubmorphs: #(x y)) + inFrontOf: (self getSubmorph: #b). + self assert: #(x y b a) equals: self getSubmorphNames.!

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The Inbox: Morphic-mt.721.mcz
by commits＠source.squeak.org 10 Feb '14

10 Feb '14

A new version of Morphic was added to project The Inbox: http://source.squeak.org/inbox/Morphic-mt.721.mcz ==================== Summary ==================== Name: Morphic-mt.721 Author: mt Time: 10 February 2014, 12:57:04.053 pm UUID: 4fc4ba71-fbc9-fa44-be19-a7d88f4cf9aa Ancestors: Morphic-cmm.720 Fixed implementation for adding multiple morphs at once. Made API of addMorph* and addAllMorphs* more consistent w.r.t. index handling. =============== Diff against Morphic-cmm.720 =============== Item was changed: ----- Method: Morph>>addAllMorphs: (in category 'submorphs-add/remove') ----- addAllMorphs: aCollection + ^self addAllMorphsBack: aCollection! - ^self privateAddAllMorphs: aCollection atIndex: submorphs size! Item was changed: ----- Method: Morph>>addAllMorphs:after: (in category 'submorphs-add/remove') ----- addAllMorphs: aCollection after: anotherMorph + ^self addAllMorphs: aCollection behind: anotherMorph! - ^self privateAddAllMorphs: aCollection - atIndex: (submorphs indexOf: anotherMorph ifAbsent: [submorphs size])! Item was added: + ----- Method: Morph>>addAllMorphs:behind: (in category 'submorphs-add/remove') ----- + addAllMorphs: aCollection behind: anotherMorph + ^self privateAddAllMorphs: aCollection + atIndex: (submorphs indexOf: anotherMorph) + 1! Item was added: + ----- Method: Morph>>addAllMorphs:inFrontOf: (in category 'submorphs-add/remove') ----- + addAllMorphs: aCollection inFrontOf: anotherMorph + ^self privateAddAllMorphs: aCollection + atIndex: ((submorphs indexOf: anotherMorph) max: 1)! Item was added: + ----- Method: Morph>>addAllMorphsBack: (in category 'submorphs-add/remove') ----- + addAllMorphsBack: aCollection + ^self privateAddAllMorphs: aCollection atIndex: submorphs size + 1! Item was added: + ----- Method: Morph>>addAllMorphsFront: (in category 'submorphs-add/remove') ----- + addAllMorphsFront: aCollection + ^self privateAddAllMorphs: aCollection atIndex: 1! Item was changed: ----- Method: Morph>>addMorph:after: (in category 'submorphs-add/remove') ----- addMorph: newMorph after: aMorph + ^self addMorph: newMorph behind: aMorph! - "Add the given morph as one of my submorphs, inserting it after anotherMorph" - ^self privateAddMorph: newMorph atIndex: (submorphs indexOf: aMorph)+1! Item was changed: ----- Method: Morph>>privateAddAllMorphs:atIndex: (in category 'private') ----- privateAddAllMorphs: aCollection atIndex: index "Private. Add aCollection of morphs to the receiver" + | myWorld otherSubmorphs offset | + (index between: 1 and: submorphs size+1) + ifFalse: [^ self error: 'index out of range']. - | myWorld otherSubmorphs | myWorld := self world. otherSubmorphs := submorphs copyWithoutAll: aCollection. + offset := aCollection count: [:m | (submorphs indexOf: m) between: 1 and: index - 1]. + submorphs := otherSubmorphs copyReplaceFrom: index-offset to: index-offset-1 with: aCollection. - (index between: 0 and: otherSubmorphs size) - ifFalse: [^ self error: 'index out of range']. - index = 0 - ifTrue:[ submorphs := aCollection asArray, otherSubmorphs] - ifFalse:[ index = otherSubmorphs size - ifTrue:[ submorphs := otherSubmorphs, aCollection] - ifFalse:[ submorphs := otherSubmorphs copyReplaceFrom: index + 1 to: index with: aCollection ]]. aCollection do: [:m | | itsOwner itsWorld | itsOwner := m owner. itsOwner ifNotNil: [ itsWorld := m world. (itsWorld == myWorld) ifFalse: [ itsWorld ifNotNil: [self privateInvalidateMorph: m]. m outOfWorld: itsWorld]. (itsOwner ~~ self) ifTrue: [ m owner privateRemove: m. m owner removedMorph: m ]]. m privateOwner: self. myWorld ifNotNil: [self privateInvalidateMorph: m]. (myWorld == itsWorld) ifFalse: [m intoWorld: myWorld]. itsOwner == self ifFalse: [ self addedMorph: m. m noteNewOwner: self ]. ]. self layoutChanged. !

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Re: [gsoc-mentors] The truth on GSOC, ESUG and bad attitude
by Janko Mivšek 10 Feb '14

10 Feb '14

Dear all, First to Luc: from your numbers it is clear that you are not to be blamed on anything, because you were obviously misinformed and misguided. Facts namely are: 1. GSoC mentors decided to pay extra stipendiums 3000 USD [1] while ESUG without approval paid 2000 more, 5000 USD, without any report back to GSoC mentors, 2. GSoC mentors decided to add past GSoC2012 amount to the pool for paying extra projects [2][3]. Calculation (without the Summit expenses) therefore is: Income: GSoC 2012 13x 500 = 6.500 USD GSoC 2013 13x 500 = 6.500 USD ------------------------------ 13.000 USD Expenses: Extra stipendiums: 3x 3.000 = 9.000 USD Difference: + 4.000 USD If ESUG would follow the decisions of GSoC mentors it wouldn't loose any money but gain 4.000 USD. Those that misinformed and misguided you needs therefore to apologize to you Luc, to the GSoC mentors and to me as admin! Janko [1] https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/smalltalk-gsoc-mentors/Yrlj8dIgGPg [2] https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/smalltalk-gsoc-mentors/WwnxpkXzAB8 [3] https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/smalltalk-gsoc-mentors/tR44jdPT5Hw Dne 09. 02. 2014 17:26, piše Luc Fabresse: > Hi all, > > ------------ > FACTS > > As you all know, I am the ESUG treasurer. > So please find the numbers attached for the ESUG support of GSOC > projects in 2013. > > ESUG sponsored 3 "extra-GSOC" meaning extra slots not accepted by Google. > In the file it is: Alejandro Infante, Pablo Estefo and Benjamin Arezki. > > All in all we paid: > - 3695EUR (~5000USD at that time i.e. same cost as a regular GSOC) each > projects > - Serge trip to Mentor summit > > And we received 5552EUR from Google > > so yes we lost ~6582EUR > That is easy 13*500 USD would only cover 1 plain extra-Gsoc and we > sponsorized 3. > > I also think that it is important to send someone to the GSoc mentor > summit because it participates to the fact that Google recognizes ESUG > ang gives slots the next year. > > It is alos important to note dates. > ESUG paid first and then has been refund by Google. > It would not be possible to do it without ESUG. > > ------------ > FROM HERE, MY POINT OF VIEW ON THIS STORY: > > As some of you know, I doing the ESUG treasury stuff on my *own* time > and it takes a lot! > I am doing it because I strongly believe that Smalltalk (all falvors!) > is a really great language that should be more widespread. > > I also completely open to discussions. > The ESUG board can also explain its actions and even money status. > I can do errors too. > So if Janko wants some details on GSOC related money, JUST ASK! > > I cannot admit that: > > - Janko wrote about some money accusation. This is directly directed > against the treasurer so me. > And honestly, just reading again that I am biased and that I hide or > steal money make me think that I should better quit. > > - Janko asked for apologies! what is that? even if I would have done a > mistake (and ESUG did not loose money), YOU STILL MUST THANK ME for > DOING THIS BORING TASK! and then I can correct mistakes if any > > - People wants an answer fast, this conversation started yesterday and I > am spending my week-end with my kids > > > I am really fed up with this kind of attitude. > Stop accuse, better ask, discuss and we will solve the problems together > if any. > But I think it will never happen... > > #Luc > The disgusted Treasurer of ESUG who will finish his week-end in bad mood > -- Janko Mivšek Smalltalk GSoC Admin Team

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Re: [Pharo-users] [Esug-list] [Pharo-dev] [gsoc-mentors] The truth on GSOC, ESUG and bad attitude
by Andres Valloud 10 Feb '14

10 Feb '14

1. Having this discussion *now* is just hugely counterproductive. This conversation should have been had, preferably in person and with abundant social lubricants, last year after the end of the previous GSoC. In that way, we wouldn't have all this drama on top of the stress of doing a GSoC and meeting its deadlines etc. 2. Could you please focus on the problem, and not on people? Nothing good will come out of personal judgments, insults, disrespect, etc. It doesn't even matter if whoever is saying those things is "right". Abusing other people helps promote even more community division by presenting a choice of *who* (instead of *what*) is right. 3. Could the interested parties set up an N-way conference call or some such, and reach a conclusion in a reasonable manner? Email is horrible for these kinds of discussions, it's extremely easy to end up with exaggerated interpretations of what is said and then we all get to see flame wars that end nowhere --- like the flame wars on the same subject ***last year***. Write minutes, report the progress in a neutral manner on the ESUG mailing list, whatever you choose --- just be sensible and professional. If you recall, we have seen an extremely good example of how to deal with uncomfortable situations in the ESUG mailing list not long ago. It can be done. 4. 4000 EUR is not peanuts, I agree. I will also point out that 4000 EUR doesn't pay for a lot of our time when we measure it by the measuring stick of consulting hours. I strongly suspect we are wasting a lot more money than 4000 EUR with this endless controversy. The current process for dealing with this issue will, at best, result in a Pyrrhic victory. Think about it, even on the "cheap side" of 1 EUR / minute, don't you think we have collectively spent far more than 67 hours on this stuff without even getting close to a resolution? Think about it: 67 hours is less than 2 weeks. I don't think we can afford that kind of "success". On 2/10/14 1:19 , Joachim Tuchel wrote: > Phil, > > That's your opinion. I don't think money of sponsors should be spent > with such an attitude. > > Unfortunately, I do not fully unerstand what Janko is saying and the > links he provided don't help me really. Is he saying that the ESUG board > ignored the vote of gsoc mentors on how much to pay to students in the > additional projects? Was that money spent unequally and does Janko say > this was unfair and does he say the projects that got more did so > because they were pharo projects? > > If so, this needs some explanation. If it's not true, we can go on and > say the board did it with the members' placet. Then we can shrug and say > "so what?" Thats what we have a motivated and elected board for. > > I agree with you in so far as this is a really bad moment in time for > this discussion. If all of tgis means gsoc comes to a halt for Smalltalk > because we cannot apply in time, that would be really a pity. > > As a sponsor, I'd like to know what Janko is really up to and if the way > things went is okay, since I want our money to be spent for positive > things, like the yearly conference and many other great things esug is > doing. > > As a sponsor, I wouldn't want to see anybody in the board to think about > our money the way you expresss it here. Even if Esug is a european > organization, it has very limited financial abilities, and 4000 euros > thrown away or used unethically is not peanuts. > > Joachim > > > > phil(a)highoctane.be schrieb: > > Guys, > > From the outside it just looks like a couple of spoiled kids battling > in the kindergarten. > > All of this is not moving Smalltalk and Pharo any single bit forward. > Backwards, there is a fair chance. > > Now, could you take this discussion elsewhere? Pick up a phone and talk. > > Who cares if anyone is right? Oh yeah, EUR 4K, what a huge amount to > fight over for an European org... (rolleyes). > > Phil > > > > > On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 8:29 AM, Luc Fabresse <luc.fabresse(a)gmail.com > <mailto:luc.fabresse@gmail.com>> wrote: > > Hi Janko, > > I do not have all numbers at hand now but in 2013 there were 4 > extra-GSOC but we paid only 3 because one student gave > up (Jean-Baptiste Beuzelin). > So yes you are probably right that it remains money if we integrate > last year BUT we were willing to spend it. > > Luc > > > 2014-02-09 Janko Mivšek <janko.mivsek(a)eranova.si > <mailto:janko.mivsek@eranova.si>>: > > Dear all, > > First to Luc: from your numbers it is clear that you are not to be > blamed on anything, because you were obviously misinformed and > misguided. > > Facts namely are: > > 1. GSoC mentors decided to pay extra stipendiums 3000 USD [1] while > ESUG without approval paid 2000 more, 5000 USD, without any > report > back to GSoC mentors, > > 2. GSoC mentors decided to add past GSoC2012 amount to the pool for > paying extra projects [2][3]. > > Calculation (without the Summit expenses) therefore is: > > Income: GSoC 2012 13x 500 = 6.500 USD > GSoC 2013 13x 500 = 6.500 USD > ------------------------------ > 13.000 USD > > Expenses: > Extra stipendiums: 3x 3.000 = 9.000 USD > > Difference: + 4.000 USD > > If ESUG would follow the decisions of GSoC mentors it wouldn't > loose any > money but gain 4.000 USD. > > Those that misinformed and misguided you needs therefore to > apologize to > you Luc, to the GSoC mentors and to me as admin! > > Janko > > [1] > https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/smalltalk-gsoc-mentors/Yrlj8dIgGPg > [2] > https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/smalltalk-gsoc-mentors/WwnxpkXzAB8 > [3] > https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/smalltalk-gsoc-mentors/tR44jdPT5Hw > > > Dne 09. 02. 2014 17:26, piše Luc Fabresse: > > Hi all, > > > > ------------ > > FACTS > > > > As you all know, I am the ESUG treasurer. > > So please find the numbers attached for the ESUG support of GSOC > > projects in 2013. > > > > ESUG sponsored 3 "extra-GSOC" meaning extra slots not > accepted by Google. > > In the file it is: Alejandro Infante, Pablo Estefo and > Benjamin Arezki. > > > > All in all we paid: > > - 3695EUR (~5000USD at that time i.e. same cost as a regular > GSOC) each > > projects > > - Serge trip to Mentor summit > > > > And we received 5552EUR from Google > > > > so yes we lost ~6582EUR > > That is easy 13*500 USD would only cover 1 plain extra-Gsoc > and we > > sponsorized 3. > > > > I also think that it is important to send someone to the GSoc > mentor > > summit because it participates to the fact that Google > recognizes ESUG > > ang gives slots the next year. > > > > It is alos important to note dates. > > ESUG paid first and then has been refund by Google. > > It would not be possible to do it without ESUG. > > > > ------------ > > FROM HERE, MY POINT OF VIEW ON THIS STORY: > > > > As some of you know, I doing the ESUG treasury stuff on my > *own* time > > and it takes a lot! > > I am doing it because I strongly believe that Smalltalk (all > falvors!) > > is a really great language that should be more widespread. > > > > I also completely open to discussions. > > The ESUG board can also explain its actions and even money > status. > > I can do errors too. > > So if Janko wants some details on GSOC related money, JUST ASK! > > > > I cannot admit that: > > > > - Janko wrote about some money accusation. This is directly > directed > > against the treasurer so me. > > And honestly, just reading again that I am biased and that I > hide or > > steal money make me think that I should better quit. > > > > - Janko asked for apologies! what is that? even if I would > have done a > > mistake (and ESUG did not loose money), YOU STILL MUST THANK > ME for > > DOING THIS BORING TASK! and then I can correct mistakes if any > > > > - People wants an answer fast, this conversation started > yesterday and I > > am spending my week-end with my kids > > > > > > I am really fed up with this kind of attitude. > > Stop accuse, better ask, discuss and we will solve the > problems together > > if any. > > But I think it will never happen... > > > > #Luc > > The disgusted Treasurer of ESUG who will finish his week-end > in bad mood > > > > > -- > Janko Mivšek > Smalltalk GSoC Admin Team > > >

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Re: [Pharo-dev] Google Summer of Code is here, your ideas please!
by Serge Stinckwich 10 Feb '14

10 Feb '14

Like the two previous years, I would like to build a proposal about SciSmalltalk : https://github.com/SergeStinckwich/SciSmalltalk This year, I'm considering proposing something that is related to statistic stuff and/or timeseries analysis We really need something like StatPy : http://www.astro.cornell.edu/staff/loredo/statpy/ Pandas : http://pandas.pydata.org/ or scikits.timeseries: http://pytseries.sourceforge.net/ in the community. Anybody interested me to join me in order to wrote a proposal ? Regards, On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 11:55 AM, Janko Mivšek <janko.mivsek(a)eranova.si> wrote: > Dear Smalltalkers, > > Tenth GSoC is here and application deadline is earlier this year, > already next Friday! > > Time therefore for your cool project ideas on this year Smalltalk GSoC > Hurry up! > > For now just express any idea you have here on the mailing list. Later > we will together develop it to be in complete format together with two > mentors needed. To see how fully developed ideas look like please look > at 2012 ones at:http://gsoc2013.esug.org/ideas. > > Ideally (but not necessary right now) you should prepare an idea > following this template: > > ----------------------------------------------- > > Title: > > Level: (beginner, intermediate, advanced) > > Possible mentor: (can be assigned later) > > Possible second mentor: (can be assigned later) > > Description > > Technical Details > > Benefits to the Student > > Benefits to the Community > > ------------------------------------------------- > > Note also that students yourselves can propose a GSoC project. So if you > like to be a student on this year GSoC and have a nice idea, don't be > shy and propose it here! The community will listen you and guide to the > really nicely proposed project. > > For the community, start looking around for students. Think about how to > approach the universities near by you, do you know who to contact > there, etc. > > Our special website is in preparation and will be online in few days. > Official Google GSoC site is here: > > http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/homepage/google/gsoc2014. > > Specially read carefully the FAQ: > http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc20… > > Mentors of all past GSoCs please rejoin the mentors mailing list where > we discuss all details about this year GSoC: > > http://groups.google.com/group/smalltalk-gsoc-mentors > > While students interested on GSoC please join a special Smalltalk GSoC > mailing list for you: > > http://groups.google.com/group/smalltalk-gsoc-students > > Best regards > Janko > > -- > Janko Mivšek > Smalltalk GSoC Admin Team > -- Serge Stinckwich UCBN & UMI UMMISCO 209 (IRD/UPMC) Every DSL ends up being Smalltalk http://www.doesnotunderstand.org/

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Daily Commit Log
by commits＠source.squeak.org 10 Feb '14

10 Feb '14

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Re: [squeak-dev] Celeste (was: GSoC time)
by tim Rowledge 10 Feb '14

10 Feb '14

On 09-02-2014, at 12:29 PM, Jecel Assumpcao Jr. <jecel(a)merlintec.com> wrote: >> I think I’d prefer the original release of Marcel (circa 1995, >> http://www.riscos.com/the_archive/rol/faqs/antsuite.htm) to pretty >> much any web based email I’ve ever yet seen. > > I wasn't able to find any screen shots to get a feel for what it was > like. Before Celeste I used KMail for many years. I am not picky and so > far the only email client that has really bothered me is Outlook Express > (which I still use for an old account). Refusing to show me as much > detail as I need is something I can't forgive Early versions of Marcel simply presented a list of emails. Click on one and it sent an OS message to request your choice of text editor open it. Fortunately even back then StrongEd was freaking amazing, so it wasn’t a bad way to do things. (As an example of how fast an editor can be, StrongEd on a RISCOS Pi can read in all the sources files for the VM in 10-15 secs. It can present a list of all the hits for searching globally for a word usually in less than one screen refresh) > I have to be very > careful to keep Celeste databases below 2GB, which is really annoying. > It would be good to import everything into a single place. How about using Magma? Then all we need is a Spotlight adapter for it so it integrates into OS X nicely. Easy :-) tim -- tim Rowledge; tim(a)rowledge.org; http://www.rowledge.org/tim Strange OpCodes: TDB: Transfer and Drop Bits

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Re: [squeak-dev] Celeste (was: GSoC time)
by tim Rowledge 09 Feb '14

09 Feb '14

On 08-02-2014, at 2:33 AM, Jecel Assumpcao Jr. <jecel(a)merlintec.com> wrote: > Tim Rowledge pondered: > >> A decent email facility. I have this vague recollection that Celeste still >> exists and some one even uses it? > > This was typed in Celeste, which has been my only email client since > late 2004. I have a bunch of fixed which I haven't shared since they are > some of the worst code ever written because crashes always happen when I > am in a hurry to reply to an email. There are lots of low hanging fruit > to make less unreasonable, but a new client might be a better option. I thought it might be you. We all know Jecel is quite, quite mad… > >> Again, in a boot-to-Scratch Pi it could be interesting to provide an email >> system. And maybe use Scratch scripting to add rules to it for sorting and >> filing and stuff? And given the utter balls-up that Apple have made of their >> email app in Mavericks recently, maybe now is the time do a good version >> that non-Squeakers would use! > > Most people I know currently use web based mail services. I have > experience with two (Zimbra and SmartMail) and prefer Celeste. I think I’d prefer the original release of Marcel (circa 1995, http://www.riscos.com/the_archive/rol/faqs/antsuite.htm) to pretty much any web based email I’ve ever yet seen. But thinking of Better Email Apps - I want more. I want all my communications in one easy to follow list. Email of course, but tweets, skype texts, SMS, Messages err messages, Facetime video & audio, everything. I have email and iChat mixed conversations lasting years and one has to know that some of the stuff is in iChat files and some in emails. Stupid! Give me a proper database of all my messages of whatever form and a decent way to read/view/edit them. Handle the best available communication route - if someone is only on twitter, send a long email or video message by a means that will work with them. tim -- tim Rowledge; tim(a)rowledge.org; http://www.rowledge.org/tim Strange OpCodes: BGL: Branch and Goto Lunch

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