On the Rhapsody talk list there was a question asking if anyone had made any end-user or commercial products using Squeak or its technology. Or any non-academic uses at all.
Good question.
Are there?
I'd love to hear.
Thanks
Adam Bridge
Adam Bridge wrote:
On the Rhapsody talk list there was a question asking if anyone had made any end-user or commercial products using Squeak or its technology. Or any non-academic uses at all.
Good question.
Are there?
I'd love to hear.
Thanks
Adam Bridge
Hello!
I am implementing a visual critquing language for end-users; e.g. non-programmers. It is some kinde of puzzle which you can plug together, build on a filter- and pipe- metaphor. I use Squeak just as implementation environment for myself and hide it for the end-user. I think thats not what you are looking for, but if you are interessted please contact me!
Stefanie Thies
PS: It would be nice to hear about your gotten results.
I'd also like to know. I'm starting a Special Interest Group in Smalltalk at the North Orange County Computer Club (NOCCC) in Orange County CA. We'll be meeting (if I get the group) on the first Sunday of the month, probably from 11 or 11:30 till one, when the General Meeting ("GM") occurs. This Sunday I'll be making the pitch at the GM for the creation of the group. I plan an emphesis on Squeak and ObjectShare because you can get free non-commercial versions of both, and they both run on a large number of platforms (NOCCC has hardware SIGs for Mac, PC, OS/2, and Linux/Unix). If any of you are in the area or are coming to OC for a trip sometime let me know! (Although for the first couple of months I'll probably be teaching the language itself.)
On Sat, Feb 27, 1999 at 10:09:42AM -0800, Adam Bridge wrote:
On the Rhapsody talk list there was a question asking if anyone had made any end-user or commercial products using Squeak or its technology. Or any non-academic uses at all.
Good question.
Are there?
I'm not sure if this counts, but I'm (still) working on a freeware roguelike game. An actual semi-working (non-playable, though) version can be found at:
http://www.csclub.uwaterloo.ca/~cgreuter/wethack.html
(My apologies to those to whom I offered to send a copy and then forgot about. My progress on this is _slow_).
--Chris
Chris, Cool I look forward to taking a look at it in my copious free time. I'm not sure if it's a problem on my end or not but I get an invalid compressed data--crc error when I try to unzip it with gunzip. Could be a problem on my end but you may want to check the archive.
Thanks, chris
CCed in case anyone else had the same problem.
Chris Reuter wrote:
I'm not sure if this counts, but I'm (still) working on a freeware roguelike game. An actual semi-working (non-playable, though) version can be found at:
http://www.csclub.uwaterloo.ca/~cgreuter/wethack.html(My apologies to those to whom I offered to send a copy and then forgot about. My progress on this is _slow_).
--Chris
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As much as I hate to admit it I think this is a problem with the version of Netscape that I'm using to DL the file with. When I use IE it works fine. Sad but true.
-chris
Chris Grindstaff wrote:
Chris, Cool I look forward to taking a look at it in my copious free time. I'm not sure if it's a problem on my end or not but I get an invalid compressed data--crc error when I try to unzip it with gunzip. Could be a problem on my end but you may want to check the archive.
Thanks, chris
-- ------------------------------------ Chris Grindstaff - Applied Reasoning mailto:chrisg@appliedreasoning.com http://www.appliedreasoning.com 919-851-7677
Looks like Netscape could be flakey here too. I don't have IE, so I cant test that. Is an FTP site available? Or I could wait till I'm on the home machine...
William
Chris Grindstaff wrote:
As much as I hate to admit it I think this is a problem with the version of Netscape that I'm using to DL the file with. When I use IE it works fine. Sad but true.
-chris
Chris Grindstaff wrote:
Chris, Cool I look forward to taking a look at it in my copious free time. I'm not sure if it's a problem on my end or not but I get an invalid compressed data--crc error when I try to unzip it with gunzip. Could be a problem on my end but you may want to check the archive.
Thanks, chris
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Chris Grindstaff - Applied Reasoning mailto:chrisg@appliedreasoning.com http://www.appliedreasoning.com 919-851-7677
William Barnett-Lewis wrote:
Chris Grindstaff wrote:
As much as I hate to admit it I think this is a problem with the version of Netscape that I'm using to DL the file with. When I use IE it works fine. Sad but true.
I had experiences with NS doing some rather odd things with binary data. I can't recall the exact circumstances, but they had to do with HTTP vs. FTP download, file extension vs. content type. My first guess would be that it's a HTTP download and the server is announcing the file as http/text or whatever, which NS takes too literally. (IOW try to host is via an FTP server.) The problem may also be related to NS version. I haven't had this particular problem for several months now.
Regards, Joachim
Chris Grindstaff wrote:
As much as I hate to admit it I think this is a problem with the version of Netscape that I'm using to DL the file with. When I use IE it works fine. Sad but true.
I think Netscape's trouble with the file begins because it sees it as "File MIME Type: text/plain". So if you click on the link, it just display's the gobbly-gook characters in the browser rather than, for instance, prompting for a "save as". It probably messes with the line endings when you save it to a file.
------------------------------------------- Bill Dargel wdargel@shoshana.com Shoshana Technologies 100 West Joy Road, Ann Arbor, MI 48105 USA
On Thu, Mar 04, 1999 at 05:44:43PM -0500, William O. Dargel wrote:
Chris Grindstaff wrote:
As much as I hate to admit it I think this is a problem with the version of Netscape that I'm using to DL the file with. When I use IE it works fine. Sad but true.
I think Netscape's trouble with the file begins because it sees it as "File MIME Type: text/plain". So if you click on the link, it just display's the gobbly-gook characters in the browser rather than, for instance, prompting for a "save as". It probably messes with the line endings when you save it to a file.
Yeah, I noticed it did that as well. The trick is to use the "Save Link As" option. Presumably, there's a way to indicate the binaryness of the file but I'm not sufficiently up on my Web lore to fix that.
I'll see what can be done about that.
--Chris
One needs to set the mime type on the server for the given extension.
On Thu, 4 Mar 1999, Chris Reuter wrote:
Yeah, I noticed it did that as well. The trick is to use the "Save Link As" option. Presumably, there's a way to indicate the binaryness of the file but I'm not sufficiently up on my Web lore to fix that.
I'll see what can be done about that.
--Chris
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On Thu, Mar 04, 1999 at 06:07:44PM -0500, Joshua Marker wrote:
One needs to set the mime type on the server for the given extension.
I didn't know that, but I don't administrate the www server here, so that's a moot point.
I changed the extension from .tgz to tar.gz which (self fingers cross) will fix the problem. I was able to download successfully using lynx and an ancient version of Netscape. (I also tried with an ancient version of Internet Explod^Hrer, but its download rate tended to decrease with bytes transfered asymptotically toward the halfway point.)
If this doesn't work, I'll see what I can do about putting it up for ftp.
--Chris
Chris Reuter wrote:
I changed the extension from .tgz to tar.gz which (self fingers cross) will fix the problem.
It works with Netscape 4.05 (in Windows) with just a bit of fudging. It's actually rather strange. It shows the link as being http://www.csclub.uwaterloo.ca/~cgreuter/tower002.tar.gz and by clicking on it it does go straight to a "save as" dialog now, but at that point the filename it gives is "tower002_tar.tar". Don't ask me where it gets that. Maybe the two dot-extensions confuses someone? (Either your server or Netscape). If I save with the default name or open directly with WinZip it will then give an "Error reading header after processing 0 entries". But, by changing the name to save as to "tower002_tar.gz" (or renaming it after downloading) WinZip is happy with it. Maybe it would work directly if you used that for the filename?
------------------------------------------- Bill Dargel wdargel@shoshana.com Shoshana Technologies 100 West Joy Road, Ann Arbor, MI 48105 USA
On Mon, Mar 08, 1999 at 11:27:53PM -0500, Bill Dargel wrote:
Chris Reuter wrote:
I changed the extension from .tgz to tar.gz which (self fingers cross) will fix the problem.
It works with Netscape 4.05 (in Windows) with just a bit of fudging. It's
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OK, I've given up trying to get it to work and have switched to .zip. Both lynx and the two versions of Internet Exploder I used didn't have a problem with it.
What I really should do is use ftp, which entails me Getting Around To It. Someday, perhaps.
If it still doesn't work (and if anyone cares by this point ;), please let me know.
--Chris
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