For both 4.6 & 5.0 on the mac, saving a project generates the following error: "NotImplemented: ClassBinding or a superclass should implement objectForDataStream."
The comments in the method suggest this shouldn't have been released to a stable version: "It's not yet clear how serialization should work in the presence of environments".
Problem 2 is that if I then "abandon" the error messge, the workspace is then flooded with "MessageNotUnderstood" error boxes.
Is "environments" something experimental that should be switched off?
Best, Huw
Arbitrarily picking an earlier version ... 4.1 does not have this issue/bug.
Any quick fixes for this? I'm interested in using this in conjunction with aida.
Best, Huw
On 3 December 2015 at 01:13, Huw Lloyd huw.softdesigns@gmail.com wrote:
For both 4.6 & 5.0 on the mac, saving a project generates the following error: "NotImplemented: ClassBinding or a superclass should implement objectForDataStream."
The comments in the method suggest this shouldn't have been released to a stable version: "It's not yet clear how serialization should work in the presence of environments".
Problem 2 is that if I then "abandon" the error messge, the workspace is then flooded with "MessageNotUnderstood" error boxes.
Is "environments" something experimental that should be switched off?
Best, Huw
Huw,
The timing of your question is perfect :-)
There are some very recent updates (in the last week or so) to the Squeak trunk development stream that address this problem. This is work in progress, but in a nutshell, the latest trunk fixes should resolve the problem for 4.6 images, but there is work still to be done in order to make it work in 5.0 Spur. We still need to get these latest updates into the standard update stream for squeak46, but as soon as that is complete it should work for those images. I am less certain of the timing for 5.0 images.
Dave
On Thu, Dec 03, 2015 at 01:25:37AM +0000, Huw Lloyd wrote:
Arbitrarily picking an earlier version ... 4.1 does not have this issue/bug.
Any quick fixes for this? I'm interested in using this in conjunction with aida.
Best, Huw
On 3 December 2015 at 01:13, Huw Lloyd huw.softdesigns@gmail.com wrote:
For both 4.6 & 5.0 on the mac, saving a project generates the following error: "NotImplemented: ClassBinding or a superclass should implement objectForDataStream."
The comments in the method suggest this shouldn't have been released to a stable version: "It's not yet clear how serialization should work in the presence of environments".
Problem 2 is that if I then "abandon" the error messge, the workspace is then flooded with "MessageNotUnderstood" error boxes.
Is "environments" something experimental that should be switched off?
Best, Huw
Thanks Dave. How do I achieve that -- do I swap in a trunk image to a 4.6 application? What about the VM?
Best, Huw
On 3 December 2015 at 02:00, David T. Lewis lewis@mail.msen.com wrote:
Huw,
The timing of your question is perfect :-)
There are some very recent updates (in the last week or so) to the Squeak trunk development stream that address this problem. This is work in progress, but in a nutshell, the latest trunk fixes should resolve the problem for 4.6 images, but there is work still to be done in order to make it work in 5.0 Spur. We still need to get these latest updates into the standard update stream for squeak46, but as soon as that is complete it should work for those images. I am less certain of the timing for 5.0 images.
Dave
On Thu, Dec 03, 2015 at 01:25:37AM +0000, Huw Lloyd wrote:
Arbitrarily picking an earlier version ... 4.1 does not have this
issue/bug.
Any quick fixes for this? I'm interested in using this in conjunction
with
aida.
Best, Huw
On 3 December 2015 at 01:13, Huw Lloyd huw.softdesigns@gmail.com
wrote:
For both 4.6 & 5.0 on the mac, saving a project generates the following error: "NotImplemented: ClassBinding or a superclass should implement objectForDataStream."
The comments in the method suggest this shouldn't have been released
to a
stable version: "It's not yet clear how serialization should work in
the
presence of environments".
Problem 2 is that if I then "abandon" the error messge, the workspace
is
then flooded with "MessageNotUnderstood" error boxes.
Is "environments" something experimental that should be switched off?
Best, Huw
Huw,
See a proposal for a quick fix below using the work of Colin Putney last week.
--Hannes
On 12/3/15, David T. Lewis lewis@mail.msen.com wrote:
Huw,
The timing of your question is perfect :-)
There are some very recent updates (in the last week or so) to the Squeak trunk development stream that address this problem.
A copy of the mail describing these updates is here http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/6218
This is work in
progress, but in a nutshell, the latest trunk fixes should resolve the problem for 4.6 images, but there is work still to be done in order to make it work in 5.0 Spur. We still need to get these latest updates into the standard update stream for squeak46, but as soon as that is complete it should work for those images.
The updates Colin Putney committed to the trunk on Friday, Saturday 27/28th Nov are
Name: Environments-cwp.60 Author: cwp Time: 27 November 2015, 5:14:36.376 pm UUID: c8836cde-f21e-4652-a2e9-73f8de6f00e0 Ancestors: Environments-kfr.59
Always serialize Bindings as DiskProxies.
Name: System-cwp.781 Author: cwp Time: 27 November 2015, 5:22:38.591 pm UUID: c0ffbab7-f7ee-4966-ba07-d57436ac42f2 Ancestors: System-mt.780
Remove specialized serialization of Associations. Since associations are no longer used as globals, we never need to serialize them using DiskProxy.
Name: System-cwp.782 Author: cwp Time: 27 November 2015, 9:00:42.904 pm UUID: ae1f1166-0438-4e78-8ded-46c59c212210 Ancestors: System-cwp.781
Reload DiskProxies using the current environment
When looking up objects from the destination image, DiskProxies should use the current environment, rather than referring to to Smalltalk. This lets objects on disk be loaded into arbitrary environments.
These updates are committed to the trunk (i.e. the ongoing development after the release of 5.0). However in a trunk image http://build.squeak.org/job/Trunk/default/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/targe... they do NOT work yet.
What you could do as of now -----------------------------------------
- File in the updates above into a 4.6 image. - It should fix the problem (I have not tried yet, so please report if it is successful).
I am less certain of the timing for 5.0 images.
The reason is that the new VM crashes, and Colin has reported this to the Virtual Machine List.
Dave
On Thu, Dec 03, 2015 at 01:25:37AM +0000, Huw Lloyd wrote:
Arbitrarily picking an earlier version ... 4.1 does not have this issue/bug.
Any quick fixes for this? I'm interested in using this in conjunction with aida.
Best, Huw
On 3 December 2015 at 01:13, Huw Lloyd huw.softdesigns@gmail.com wrote:
For both 4.6 & 5.0 on the mac, saving a project generates the following error: "NotImplemented: ClassBinding or a superclass should implement objectForDataStream."
The comments in the method suggest this shouldn't have been released to a stable version: "It's not yet clear how serialization should work in the presence of environments".
Problem 2 is that if I then "abandon" the error messge, the workspace is then flooded with "MessageNotUnderstood" error boxes.
Is "environments" something experimental that should be switched off?
Best, Huw
P.S. The report for this issue is here http://bugs.squeak.org/view.php?id=7814
(not yet updated with the new development of last week)
On 12/3/15, H. Hirzel hannes.hirzel@gmail.com wrote:
Huw,
See a proposal for a quick fix below using the work of Colin Putney last week.
--Hannes
On 12/3/15, David T. Lewis lewis@mail.msen.com wrote:
Huw,
The timing of your question is perfect :-)
There are some very recent updates (in the last week or so) to the Squeak trunk development stream that address this problem.
A copy of the mail describing these updates is here http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/6218
This is work in
progress, but in a nutshell, the latest trunk fixes should resolve the problem for 4.6 images, but there is work still to be done in order to make it work in 5.0 Spur. We still need to get these latest updates into the standard update stream for squeak46, but as soon as that is complete it should work for those images.
The updates Colin Putney committed to the trunk on Friday, Saturday 27/28th Nov are
Name: Environments-cwp.60 Author: cwp Time: 27 November 2015, 5:14:36.376 pm UUID: c8836cde-f21e-4652-a2e9-73f8de6f00e0 Ancestors: Environments-kfr.59
Always serialize Bindings as DiskProxies.
Name: System-cwp.781 Author: cwp Time: 27 November 2015, 5:22:38.591 pm UUID: c0ffbab7-f7ee-4966-ba07-d57436ac42f2 Ancestors: System-mt.780
Remove specialized serialization of Associations. Since associations are no longer used as globals, we never need to serialize them using DiskProxy.
Name: System-cwp.782 Author: cwp Time: 27 November 2015, 9:00:42.904 pm UUID: ae1f1166-0438-4e78-8ded-46c59c212210 Ancestors: System-cwp.781
Reload DiskProxies using the current environment
When looking up objects from the destination image, DiskProxies should use the current environment, rather than referring to to Smalltalk. This lets objects on disk be loaded into arbitrary environments.
These updates are committed to the trunk (i.e. the ongoing development after the release of 5.0). However in a trunk image http://build.squeak.org/job/Trunk/default/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/targe... they do NOT work yet.
What you could do as of now
- File in the updates above into a 4.6 image.
- It should fix the problem (I have not tried yet, so please report if
it is successful).
I am less certain of the timing for 5.0 images.
The reason is that the new VM crashes, and Colin has reported this to the Virtual Machine List.
Dave
On Thu, Dec 03, 2015 at 01:25:37AM +0000, Huw Lloyd wrote:
Arbitrarily picking an earlier version ... 4.1 does not have this issue/bug.
Any quick fixes for this? I'm interested in using this in conjunction with aida.
Best, Huw
On 3 December 2015 at 01:13, Huw Lloyd huw.softdesigns@gmail.com wrote:
For both 4.6 & 5.0 on the mac, saving a project generates the following error: "NotImplemented: ClassBinding or a superclass should implement objectForDataStream."
The comments in the method suggest this shouldn't have been released to a stable version: "It's not yet clear how serialization should work in the presence of environments".
Problem 2 is that if I then "abandon" the error messge, the workspace is then flooded with "MessageNotUnderstood" error boxes.
Is "environments" something experimental that should be switched off?
Best, Huw
Hannes,
I got as far as a failure to load System-cwp.781 with missing dependency on class UnhandledWarning:
"Warning: This package depends on the following classes: UnhandledWarning You must resolve these dependencies before you will be able to load these definitions: UnhandledWarning>>defaultAction"
The version of package system for 4.6 is System-topa.753
Best, Huw
On 3 December 2015 at 08:57, H. Hirzel hannes.hirzel@gmail.com wrote:
Huw,
See a proposal for a quick fix below using the work of Colin Putney last week.
--Hannes
On 12/3/15, David T. Lewis lewis@mail.msen.com wrote:
Huw,
The timing of your question is perfect :-)
There are some very recent updates (in the last week or so) to the Squeak trunk development stream that address this problem.
A copy of the mail describing these updates is here http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/6218
This is work in
progress, but in a nutshell, the latest trunk fixes should resolve the problem for 4.6 images, but there is work still to be done in order to make it work in 5.0 Spur. We still need to get these latest updates into the standard update stream for squeak46, but as soon as that is complete it should
work
for those images.
The updates Colin Putney committed to the trunk on Friday, Saturday 27/28th Nov are
Name: Environments-cwp.60 Author: cwp Time: 27 November 2015, 5:14:36.376 pm UUID: c8836cde-f21e-4652-a2e9-73f8de6f00e0 Ancestors: Environments-kfr.59
Always serialize Bindings as DiskProxies.
Name: System-cwp.781 Author: cwp Time: 27 November 2015, 5:22:38.591 pm UUID: c0ffbab7-f7ee-4966-ba07-d57436ac42f2 Ancestors: System-mt.780
Remove specialized serialization of Associations. Since associations are no longer used as globals, we never need to serialize them using DiskProxy.
Name: System-cwp.782 Author: cwp Time: 27 November 2015, 9:00:42.904 pm UUID: ae1f1166-0438-4e78-8ded-46c59c212210 Ancestors: System-cwp.781
Reload DiskProxies using the current environment
When looking up objects from the destination image, DiskProxies should use the current environment, rather than referring to to Smalltalk. This lets objects on disk be loaded into arbitrary environments.
These updates are committed to the trunk (i.e. the ongoing development after the release of 5.0). However in a trunk image
http://build.squeak.org/job/Trunk/default/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/targe... they do NOT work yet.
What you could do as of now
- File in the updates above into a 4.6 image.
- It should fix the problem (I have not tried yet, so please report if
it is successful).
I am less certain of the timing for 5.0 images.
The reason is that the new VM crashes, and Colin has reported this to the Virtual Machine List.
Dave
On Thu, Dec 03, 2015 at 01:25:37AM +0000, Huw Lloyd wrote:
Arbitrarily picking an earlier version ... 4.1 does not have this issue/bug.
Any quick fixes for this? I'm interested in using this in conjunction with aida.
Best, Huw
On 3 December 2015 at 01:13, Huw Lloyd huw.softdesigns@gmail.com
wrote:
For both 4.6 & 5.0 on the mac, saving a project generates the
following
error: "NotImplemented: ClassBinding or a superclass should implement objectForDataStream."
The comments in the method suggest this shouldn't have been released
to
a stable version: "It's not yet clear how serialization should work in the presence of environments".
Problem 2 is that if I then "abandon" the error messge, the workspace is then flooded with "MessageNotUnderstood" error boxes.
Is "environments" something experimental that should be switched off?
Best, Huw
Looks earliest System package to not load to 4.6 is:
Name: System-ul.757 Author: ul Time: 14 August 2015, 7:19:00.474 pm UUID: fca51b99-736e-4666-acac-e5c5b6a1d397 Ancestors: System-cmm.756
#includesSubString: -> #includesSubstring: #subStrings -> #substrings
Best, Huw
On 3 December 2015 at 14:43, Huw Lloyd huw.softdesigns@gmail.com wrote:
Hannes,
I got as far as a failure to load System-cwp.781 with missing dependency on class UnhandledWarning:
"Warning: This package depends on the following classes: UnhandledWarning You must resolve these dependencies before you will be able to load these definitions: UnhandledWarning>>defaultAction"
The version of package system for 4.6 is System-topa.753
Best, Huw
On 3 December 2015 at 08:57, H. Hirzel hannes.hirzel@gmail.com wrote:
Huw,
See a proposal for a quick fix below using the work of Colin Putney last week.
--Hannes
On 12/3/15, David T. Lewis lewis@mail.msen.com wrote:
Huw,
The timing of your question is perfect :-)
There are some very recent updates (in the last week or so) to the
Squeak
trunk development stream that address this problem.
A copy of the mail describing these updates is here http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/6218
This is work in
progress, but in a nutshell, the latest trunk fixes should resolve the problem for 4.6 images, but there is work still to be done in order to make it work in 5.0 Spur. We still need to get these latest updates into the standard update stream for squeak46, but as soon as that is complete it should
work
for those images.
The updates Colin Putney committed to the trunk on Friday, Saturday 27/28th Nov are
Name: Environments-cwp.60 Author: cwp Time: 27 November 2015, 5:14:36.376 pm UUID: c8836cde-f21e-4652-a2e9-73f8de6f00e0 Ancestors: Environments-kfr.59
Always serialize Bindings as DiskProxies.
Name: System-cwp.781 Author: cwp Time: 27 November 2015, 5:22:38.591 pm UUID: c0ffbab7-f7ee-4966-ba07-d57436ac42f2 Ancestors: System-mt.780
Remove specialized serialization of Associations. Since associations are no longer used as globals, we never need to serialize them using DiskProxy.
Name: System-cwp.782 Author: cwp Time: 27 November 2015, 9:00:42.904 pm UUID: ae1f1166-0438-4e78-8ded-46c59c212210 Ancestors: System-cwp.781
Reload DiskProxies using the current environment
When looking up objects from the destination image, DiskProxies should use the current environment, rather than referring to to Smalltalk. This lets objects on disk be loaded into arbitrary environments.
These updates are committed to the trunk (i.e. the ongoing development after the release of 5.0). However in a trunk image
http://build.squeak.org/job/Trunk/default/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/targe... they do NOT work yet.
What you could do as of now
- File in the updates above into a 4.6 image.
- It should fix the problem (I have not tried yet, so please report if
it is successful).
I am less certain of the timing for 5.0 images.
The reason is that the new VM crashes, and Colin has reported this to the Virtual Machine List.
Dave
On Thu, Dec 03, 2015 at 01:25:37AM +0000, Huw Lloyd wrote:
Arbitrarily picking an earlier version ... 4.1 does not have this issue/bug.
Any quick fixes for this? I'm interested in using this in conjunction with aida.
Best, Huw
On 3 December 2015 at 01:13, Huw Lloyd huw.softdesigns@gmail.com
wrote:
For both 4.6 & 5.0 on the mac, saving a project generates the
following
error: "NotImplemented: ClassBinding or a superclass should implement objectForDataStream."
The comments in the method suggest this shouldn't have been released
to
a stable version: "It's not yet clear how serialization should work in the presence of environments".
Problem 2 is that if I then "abandon" the error messge, the workspace is then flooded with "MessageNotUnderstood" error boxes.
Is "environments" something experimental that should be switched off?
Best, Huw
UnhandledWarning was added in
http://source.squeak.org/trunk/Kernel-mt.945.mcz
http://source.squeak.org/trunk/System-mt.759.mcz
Best, Karl
On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 3:58 PM, Huw Lloyd huw.softdesigns@gmail.com wrote:
Looks earliest System package to not load to 4.6 is:
Name: System-ul.757 Author: ul Time: 14 August 2015, 7:19:00.474 pm UUID: fca51b99-736e-4666-acac-e5c5b6a1d397 Ancestors: System-cmm.756
#includesSubString: -> #includesSubstring: #subStrings -> #substrings
Best, Huw
On 3 December 2015 at 14:43, Huw Lloyd huw.softdesigns@gmail.com wrote:
Hannes,
I got as far as a failure to load System-cwp.781 with missing dependency on class UnhandledWarning:
"Warning: This package depends on the following classes: UnhandledWarning You must resolve these dependencies before you will be able to load these definitions: UnhandledWarning>>defaultAction"
The version of package system for 4.6 is System-topa.753
Best, Huw
On 3 December 2015 at 08:57, H. Hirzel hannes.hirzel@gmail.com wrote:
Huw,
See a proposal for a quick fix below using the work of Colin Putney last week.
--Hannes
On 12/3/15, David T. Lewis lewis@mail.msen.com wrote:
Huw,
The timing of your question is perfect :-)
There are some very recent updates (in the last week or so) to the
Squeak
trunk development stream that address this problem.
A copy of the mail describing these updates is here http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/6218
This is work in
progress, but in a nutshell, the latest trunk fixes should resolve the problem
for
4.6 images, but there is work still to be done in order to make it work in 5.0 Spur. We still need to get these latest updates into the
standard
update stream for squeak46, but as soon as that is complete it should
work
for those images.
The updates Colin Putney committed to the trunk on Friday, Saturday 27/28th Nov are
Name: Environments-cwp.60 Author: cwp Time: 27 November 2015, 5:14:36.376 pm UUID: c8836cde-f21e-4652-a2e9-73f8de6f00e0 Ancestors: Environments-kfr.59
Always serialize Bindings as DiskProxies.
Name: System-cwp.781 Author: cwp Time: 27 November 2015, 5:22:38.591 pm UUID: c0ffbab7-f7ee-4966-ba07-d57436ac42f2 Ancestors: System-mt.780
Remove specialized serialization of Associations. Since associations are no longer used as globals, we never need to serialize them using DiskProxy.
Name: System-cwp.782 Author: cwp Time: 27 November 2015, 9:00:42.904 pm UUID: ae1f1166-0438-4e78-8ded-46c59c212210 Ancestors: System-cwp.781
Reload DiskProxies using the current environment
When looking up objects from the destination image, DiskProxies should use the current environment, rather than referring to to Smalltalk. This lets objects on disk be loaded into arbitrary environments.
These updates are committed to the trunk (i.e. the ongoing development after the release of 5.0). However in a trunk image
http://build.squeak.org/job/Trunk/default/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/targe... they do NOT work yet.
What you could do as of now
- File in the updates above into a 4.6 image.
- It should fix the problem (I have not tried yet, so please report if
it is successful).
I am less certain of the timing for 5.0 images.
The reason is that the new VM crashes, and Colin has reported this to the Virtual Machine List.
Dave
On Thu, Dec 03, 2015 at 01:25:37AM +0000, Huw Lloyd wrote:
Arbitrarily picking an earlier version ... 4.1 does not have this issue/bug.
Any quick fixes for this? I'm interested in using this in conjunction with aida.
Best, Huw
On 3 December 2015 at 01:13, Huw Lloyd huw.softdesigns@gmail.com
wrote:
For both 4.6 & 5.0 on the mac, saving a project generates the
following
error: "NotImplemented: ClassBinding or a superclass should
implement
objectForDataStream."
The comments in the method suggest this shouldn't have been
released to
a stable version: "It's not yet clear how serialization should work in the presence of environments".
Problem 2 is that if I then "abandon" the error messge, the
workspace
is then flooded with "MessageNotUnderstood" error boxes.
Is "environments" something experimental that should be switched
off?
Best, Huw
As direct loading does not work I suggest something like copy/paste updated methods from a Squeak 5 trunk image one by one.
back to the 4.6 image.
I.e. open the mcz file in a code browser but do not load it.
If necessary the code has to be adapted to cater for updates which happened elsewhere in the meantime as you write
#includesSubString: -> #includesSubstring: #subStrings -> #substrings
It seems that there not all that many fixes.
--Hannes
On 12/3/15, Huw Lloyd huw.softdesigns@gmail.com wrote:
Looks earliest System package to not load to 4.6 is:
Name: System-ul.757 Author: ul Time: 14 August 2015, 7:19:00.474 pm UUID: fca51b99-736e-4666-acac-e5c5b6a1d397 Ancestors: System-cmm.756
#includesSubString: -> #includesSubstring: #subStrings -> #substrings
Best, Huw
On 3 December 2015 at 14:43, Huw Lloyd huw.softdesigns@gmail.com wrote:
Hannes,
I got as far as a failure to load System-cwp.781 with missing dependency on class UnhandledWarning:
"Warning: This package depends on the following classes: UnhandledWarning You must resolve these dependencies before you will be able to load these definitions: UnhandledWarning>>defaultAction"
The version of package system for 4.6 is System-topa.753
Best, Huw
On 3 December 2015 at 08:57, H. Hirzel hannes.hirzel@gmail.com wrote:
Huw,
See a proposal for a quick fix below using the work of Colin Putney last week.
--Hannes
On 12/3/15, David T. Lewis lewis@mail.msen.com wrote:
Huw,
The timing of your question is perfect :-)
There are some very recent updates (in the last week or so) to the
Squeak
trunk development stream that address this problem.
A copy of the mail describing these updates is here http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/6218
This is work in
progress, but in a nutshell, the latest trunk fixes should resolve the problem for 4.6 images, but there is work still to be done in order to make it work in 5.0 Spur. We still need to get these latest updates into the standard update stream for squeak46, but as soon as that is complete it should
work
for those images.
The updates Colin Putney committed to the trunk on Friday, Saturday 27/28th Nov are
Name: Environments-cwp.60 Author: cwp Time: 27 November 2015, 5:14:36.376 pm UUID: c8836cde-f21e-4652-a2e9-73f8de6f00e0 Ancestors: Environments-kfr.59
Always serialize Bindings as DiskProxies.
Name: System-cwp.781 Author: cwp Time: 27 November 2015, 5:22:38.591 pm UUID: c0ffbab7-f7ee-4966-ba07-d57436ac42f2 Ancestors: System-mt.780
Remove specialized serialization of Associations. Since associations are no longer used as globals, we never need to serialize them using DiskProxy.
Name: System-cwp.782 Author: cwp Time: 27 November 2015, 9:00:42.904 pm UUID: ae1f1166-0438-4e78-8ded-46c59c212210 Ancestors: System-cwp.781
Reload DiskProxies using the current environment
When looking up objects from the destination image, DiskProxies should use the current environment, rather than referring to to Smalltalk. This lets objects on disk be loaded into arbitrary environments.
These updates are committed to the trunk (i.e. the ongoing development after the release of 5.0). However in a trunk image
http://build.squeak.org/job/Trunk/default/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/targe... they do NOT work yet.
What you could do as of now
- File in the updates above into a 4.6 image.
- It should fix the problem (I have not tried yet, so please report if
it is successful).
I am less certain of the timing for 5.0 images.
The reason is that the new VM crashes, and Colin has reported this to the Virtual Machine List.
Dave
On Thu, Dec 03, 2015 at 01:25:37AM +0000, Huw Lloyd wrote:
Arbitrarily picking an earlier version ... 4.1 does not have this issue/bug.
Any quick fixes for this? I'm interested in using this in conjunction with aida.
Best, Huw
On 3 December 2015 at 01:13, Huw Lloyd huw.softdesigns@gmail.com
wrote:
For both 4.6 & 5.0 on the mac, saving a project generates the
following
error: "NotImplemented: ClassBinding or a superclass should implement objectForDataStream."
The comments in the method suggest this shouldn't have been released
to
a stable version: "It's not yet clear how serialization should work in the presence of environments".
Problem 2 is that if I then "abandon" the error messge, the workspace is then flooded with "MessageNotUnderstood" error boxes.
Is "environments" something experimental that should be switched off?
Best, Huw
I'll backport the trunk changes to 4.6 tonight.
On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 7:06 AM, H. Hirzel hannes.hirzel@gmail.com wrote:
As direct loading does not work I suggest something like copy/paste updated methods from a Squeak 5 trunk image one by one.
back to the 4.6 image.
I.e. open the mcz file in a code browser but do not load it.
If necessary the code has to be adapted to cater for updates which happened elsewhere in the meantime as you write
#includesSubString: -> #includesSubstring: #subStrings -> #substrings
It seems that there not all that many fixes.
--Hannes
On 12/3/15, Huw Lloyd huw.softdesigns@gmail.com wrote:
Looks earliest System package to not load to 4.6 is:
Name: System-ul.757 Author: ul Time: 14 August 2015, 7:19:00.474 pm UUID: fca51b99-736e-4666-acac-e5c5b6a1d397 Ancestors: System-cmm.756
#includesSubString: -> #includesSubstring: #subStrings -> #substrings
Best, Huw
On 3 December 2015 at 14:43, Huw Lloyd huw.softdesigns@gmail.com
wrote:
Hannes,
I got as far as a failure to load System-cwp.781 with missing dependency on class UnhandledWarning:
"Warning: This package depends on the following classes: UnhandledWarning You must resolve these dependencies before you will be able to load
these
definitions: UnhandledWarning>>defaultAction"
The version of package system for 4.6 is System-topa.753
Best, Huw
On 3 December 2015 at 08:57, H. Hirzel hannes.hirzel@gmail.com wrote:
Huw,
See a proposal for a quick fix below using the work of Colin Putney
last
week.
--Hannes
On 12/3/15, David T. Lewis lewis@mail.msen.com wrote:
Huw,
The timing of your question is perfect :-)
There are some very recent updates (in the last week or so) to the
Squeak
trunk development stream that address this problem.
A copy of the mail describing these updates is here http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/6218
This is work in
progress, but in a nutshell, the latest trunk fixes should resolve the problem for 4.6 images, but there is work still to be done in order to make it work in 5.0 Spur. We still need to get these latest updates into the standard update stream for squeak46, but as soon as that is complete it should
work
for those images.
The updates Colin Putney committed to the trunk on Friday, Saturday 27/28th Nov are
Name: Environments-cwp.60 Author: cwp Time: 27 November 2015, 5:14:36.376 pm UUID: c8836cde-f21e-4652-a2e9-73f8de6f00e0 Ancestors: Environments-kfr.59
Always serialize Bindings as DiskProxies.
Name: System-cwp.781 Author: cwp Time: 27 November 2015, 5:22:38.591 pm UUID: c0ffbab7-f7ee-4966-ba07-d57436ac42f2 Ancestors: System-mt.780
Remove specialized serialization of Associations. Since associations are no longer used as globals, we never need to serialize them using DiskProxy.
Name: System-cwp.782 Author: cwp Time: 27 November 2015, 9:00:42.904 pm UUID: ae1f1166-0438-4e78-8ded-46c59c212210 Ancestors: System-cwp.781
Reload DiskProxies using the current environment
When looking up objects from the destination image, DiskProxies should use the current environment, rather than referring to to Smalltalk. This lets objects on disk be loaded into arbitrary environments.
These updates are committed to the trunk (i.e. the ongoing development after the release of 5.0). However in a trunk image
http://build.squeak.org/job/Trunk/default/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/targe...
they do NOT work yet.
What you could do as of now
- File in the updates above into a 4.6 image.
- It should fix the problem (I have not tried yet, so please report if
it is successful).
I am less certain of the timing for 5.0 images.
The reason is that the new VM crashes, and Colin has reported this to the Virtual Machine List.
Dave
On Thu, Dec 03, 2015 at 01:25:37AM +0000, Huw Lloyd wrote:
Arbitrarily picking an earlier version ... 4.1 does not have this issue/bug.
Any quick fixes for this? I'm interested in using this in conjunction with aida.
Best, Huw
On 3 December 2015 at 01:13, Huw Lloyd huw.softdesigns@gmail.com
wrote:
> For both 4.6 & 5.0 on the mac, saving a project generates the
following
> error: "NotImplemented: ClassBinding or a superclass should > implement > objectForDataStream." > > The comments in the method suggest this shouldn't have been > released
to
> a > stable version: "It's not yet clear how serialization should work > in > the > presence of environments". > > Problem 2 is that if I then "abandon" the error messge, the > workspace > is > then flooded with "MessageNotUnderstood" error boxes. > > Is "environments" something experimental that should be switched > off? > > Best, > Huw > > >
On 3 December 2015 at 17:08, Colin Putney colin@wiresong.com wrote:
I'll backport the trunk changes to 4.6 tonight.
Thanks, Colin. That will also enable new users to save projects. :)
Best, Huw
On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 7:06 AM, H. Hirzel hannes.hirzel@gmail.com wrote:
As direct loading does not work I suggest something like copy/paste updated methods from a Squeak 5 trunk image one by one.
back to the 4.6 image.
I.e. open the mcz file in a code browser but do not load it.
If necessary the code has to be adapted to cater for updates which happened elsewhere in the meantime as you write
#includesSubString: -> #includesSubstring: #subStrings -> #substrings
It seems that there not all that many fixes.
--Hannes
On 12/3/15, Huw Lloyd huw.softdesigns@gmail.com wrote:
Looks earliest System package to not load to 4.6 is:
Name: System-ul.757 Author: ul Time: 14 August 2015, 7:19:00.474 pm UUID: fca51b99-736e-4666-acac-e5c5b6a1d397 Ancestors: System-cmm.756
#includesSubString: -> #includesSubstring: #subStrings -> #substrings
Best, Huw
On 3 December 2015 at 14:43, Huw Lloyd huw.softdesigns@gmail.com
wrote:
Hannes,
I got as far as a failure to load System-cwp.781 with missing
dependency
on class UnhandledWarning:
"Warning: This package depends on the following classes: UnhandledWarning You must resolve these dependencies before you will be able to load
these
definitions: UnhandledWarning>>defaultAction"
The version of package system for 4.6 is System-topa.753
Best, Huw
On 3 December 2015 at 08:57, H. Hirzel hannes.hirzel@gmail.com
wrote:
Huw,
See a proposal for a quick fix below using the work of Colin Putney
last
week.
--Hannes
On 12/3/15, David T. Lewis lewis@mail.msen.com wrote:
Huw,
The timing of your question is perfect :-)
There are some very recent updates (in the last week or so) to the
Squeak
trunk development stream that address this problem.
A copy of the mail describing these updates is here http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/6218
This is work in
progress, but in a nutshell, the latest trunk fixes should resolve the problem for 4.6 images, but there is work still to be done in order to make it work in 5.0 Spur. We still need to get these latest updates into the standard update stream for squeak46, but as soon as that is complete it
should
work
for those images.
The updates Colin Putney committed to the trunk on Friday, Saturday 27/28th Nov are
Name: Environments-cwp.60 Author: cwp Time: 27 November 2015, 5:14:36.376 pm UUID: c8836cde-f21e-4652-a2e9-73f8de6f00e0 Ancestors: Environments-kfr.59
Always serialize Bindings as DiskProxies.
Name: System-cwp.781 Author: cwp Time: 27 November 2015, 5:22:38.591 pm UUID: c0ffbab7-f7ee-4966-ba07-d57436ac42f2 Ancestors: System-mt.780
Remove specialized serialization of Associations. Since associations are no longer used as globals, we never need to serialize them using DiskProxy.
Name: System-cwp.782 Author: cwp Time: 27 November 2015, 9:00:42.904 pm UUID: ae1f1166-0438-4e78-8ded-46c59c212210 Ancestors: System-cwp.781
Reload DiskProxies using the current environment
When looking up objects from the destination image, DiskProxies should use the current environment, rather than referring to to Smalltalk. This lets objects on disk be loaded into arbitrary environments.
These updates are committed to the trunk (i.e. the ongoing development after the release of 5.0). However in a trunk image
http://build.squeak.org/job/Trunk/default/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/targe...
they do NOT work yet.
What you could do as of now
- File in the updates above into a 4.6 image.
- It should fix the problem (I have not tried yet, so please report if
it is successful).
I am less certain of the timing for 5.0 images.
The reason is that the new VM crashes, and Colin has reported this to the Virtual Machine List.
Dave
On Thu, Dec 03, 2015 at 01:25:37AM +0000, Huw Lloyd wrote: > Arbitrarily picking an earlier version ... 4.1 does not have this > issue/bug. > > Any quick fixes for this? I'm interested in using this in > conjunction > with > aida. > > Best, > Huw > > > On 3 December 2015 at 01:13, Huw Lloyd huw.softdesigns@gmail.com
wrote:
> > > For both 4.6 & 5.0 on the mac, saving a project generates the
following
> > error: "NotImplemented: ClassBinding or a superclass should > > implement > > objectForDataStream." > > > > The comments in the method suggest this shouldn't have been > > released
to
> > a > > stable version: "It's not yet clear how serialization should work > > in > > the > > presence of environments". > > > > Problem 2 is that if I then "abandon" the error messge, the > > workspace > > is > > then flooded with "MessageNotUnderstood" error boxes. > > > > Is "environments" something experimental that should be switched > > off? > > > > Best, > > Huw > > > > > >
>
I don't know enough about squeak to determine the length of that task (2nd day of squeaking for me). However, the modified 4.6 does now save (after loading the newer environment package and loading the classes from the system package).
Best, Huw
On 3 December 2015 at 15:06, H. Hirzel hannes.hirzel@gmail.com wrote:
As direct loading does not work I suggest something like copy/paste updated methods from a Squeak 5 trunk image one by one.
back to the 4.6 image.
I.e. open the mcz file in a code browser but do not load it.
If necessary the code has to be adapted to cater for updates which happened elsewhere in the meantime as you write
#includesSubString: -> #includesSubstring: #subStrings -> #substrings
It seems that there not all that many fixes.
--Hannes
On 12/3/15, Huw Lloyd huw.softdesigns@gmail.com wrote:
Looks earliest System package to not load to 4.6 is:
Name: System-ul.757 Author: ul Time: 14 August 2015, 7:19:00.474 pm UUID: fca51b99-736e-4666-acac-e5c5b6a1d397 Ancestors: System-cmm.756
#includesSubString: -> #includesSubstring: #subStrings -> #substrings
Best, Huw
On 3 December 2015 at 14:43, Huw Lloyd huw.softdesigns@gmail.com
wrote:
Hannes,
I got as far as a failure to load System-cwp.781 with missing dependency on class UnhandledWarning:
"Warning: This package depends on the following classes: UnhandledWarning You must resolve these dependencies before you will be able to load
these
definitions: UnhandledWarning>>defaultAction"
The version of package system for 4.6 is System-topa.753
Best, Huw
On 3 December 2015 at 08:57, H. Hirzel hannes.hirzel@gmail.com wrote:
Huw,
See a proposal for a quick fix below using the work of Colin Putney
last
week.
--Hannes
On 12/3/15, David T. Lewis lewis@mail.msen.com wrote:
Huw,
The timing of your question is perfect :-)
There are some very recent updates (in the last week or so) to the
Squeak
trunk development stream that address this problem.
A copy of the mail describing these updates is here http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/6218
This is work in
progress, but in a nutshell, the latest trunk fixes should resolve the problem for 4.6 images, but there is work still to be done in order to make it work in 5.0 Spur. We still need to get these latest updates into the standard update stream for squeak46, but as soon as that is complete it should
work
for those images.
The updates Colin Putney committed to the trunk on Friday, Saturday 27/28th Nov are
Name: Environments-cwp.60 Author: cwp Time: 27 November 2015, 5:14:36.376 pm UUID: c8836cde-f21e-4652-a2e9-73f8de6f00e0 Ancestors: Environments-kfr.59
Always serialize Bindings as DiskProxies.
Name: System-cwp.781 Author: cwp Time: 27 November 2015, 5:22:38.591 pm UUID: c0ffbab7-f7ee-4966-ba07-d57436ac42f2 Ancestors: System-mt.780
Remove specialized serialization of Associations. Since associations are no longer used as globals, we never need to serialize them using DiskProxy.
Name: System-cwp.782 Author: cwp Time: 27 November 2015, 9:00:42.904 pm UUID: ae1f1166-0438-4e78-8ded-46c59c212210 Ancestors: System-cwp.781
Reload DiskProxies using the current environment
When looking up objects from the destination image, DiskProxies should use the current environment, rather than referring to to Smalltalk. This lets objects on disk be loaded into arbitrary environments.
These updates are committed to the trunk (i.e. the ongoing development after the release of 5.0). However in a trunk image
http://build.squeak.org/job/Trunk/default/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/targe...
they do NOT work yet.
What you could do as of now
- File in the updates above into a 4.6 image.
- It should fix the problem (I have not tried yet, so please report if
it is successful).
I am less certain of the timing for 5.0 images.
The reason is that the new VM crashes, and Colin has reported this to the Virtual Machine List.
Dave
On Thu, Dec 03, 2015 at 01:25:37AM +0000, Huw Lloyd wrote:
Arbitrarily picking an earlier version ... 4.1 does not have this issue/bug.
Any quick fixes for this? I'm interested in using this in conjunction with aida.
Best, Huw
On 3 December 2015 at 01:13, Huw Lloyd huw.softdesigns@gmail.com
wrote:
> For both 4.6 & 5.0 on the mac, saving a project generates the
following
> error: "NotImplemented: ClassBinding or a superclass should > implement > objectForDataStream." > > The comments in the method suggest this shouldn't have been > released
to
> a > stable version: "It's not yet clear how serialization should work > in > the > presence of environments". > > Problem 2 is that if I then "abandon" the error messge, the > workspace > is > then flooded with "MessageNotUnderstood" error boxes. > > Is "environments" something experimental that should be switched > off? > > Best, > Huw > > >
There are some very recent updates (in the last week or so) to the Squeak trunk development stream that address this problem. This is work in progress, but in a nutshell, the latest trunk fixes should resolve the problem for 4.6 images, but there is work still to be done in order to make it work in 5.0 Spur. We still need to get these latest updates into the standard update stream for squeak46, but as soon as that is complete it should work for those images. I am less certain of the timing for 5.0 images.
I must've missed the conversation; what is the problem with 5.0 that Colin's Environments fix won't work?
Here is Colin's report of last Saturday
http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/6218
The new VM with the trunk images crashes with the environment fixes of Colin whereas the fixes work in 4.6
--Hannes
On 12/3/15, Chris Muller asqueaker@gmail.com wrote:
There are some very recent updates (in the last week or so) to the Squeak trunk development stream that address this problem. This is work in progress, but in a nutshell, the latest trunk fixes should resolve the problem for 4.6 images, but there is work still to be done in order to make it work in 5.0 Spur. We still need to get these latest updates into the standard update stream for squeak46, but as soon as that is complete it should work for those images. I am less certain of the timing for 5.0 images.
I must've missed the conversation; what is the problem with 5.0 that Colin's Environments fix won't work?
On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 9:35 AM, Chris Muller asqueaker@gmail.com wrote:
I must've missed the conversation; what is the problem with 5.0 that Colin's Environments fix won't work?
It's basically that Spur doesn't support ImageSegments yet. It crashes on when saving a segment, and fails to load one properly (but doesn't crash).
-Colin
Hi Colin,
AFAIA the Spur VM does provide image segment support ;-). If the system is crashing there's a bug. But the image segment support does differ somewhat from the previous version since Sour does not support stable object enumeration and so relies on the segment load prim answering an array of the loaded objects and the image level code using this to post process the loaded objs rather than nextObject. There were a raft of changes about a month ago that made the image segment tests run successfully. Can you say more about what's broken?
_,,,^..^,,,_ (phone)
On Dec 3, 2015, at 10:16 AM, Colin Putney colin@wiresong.com wrote:
On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 9:35 AM, Chris Muller asqueaker@gmail.com wrote:
I must've missed the conversation; what is the problem with 5.0 that Colin's Environments fix won't work?
It's basically that Spur doesn't support ImageSegments yet. It crashes on when saving a segment, and fails to load one properly (but doesn't crash).
-Colin
On Sun, Dec 6, 2015 at 9:26 AM, Eliot Miranda eliot.miranda@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Colin,
AFAIA the Spur VM does provide image segment support ;-). If thesystem is crashing there's a bug. But the image segment support does differ somewhat from the previous version since Sour does not support stable object enumeration and so relies on the segment load prim answering an array of the loaded objects and the image level code using this to post process the loaded objs rather than nextObject. There were a raft of changes about a month ago that made the image segment tests run successfully. Can you say more about what's broken?
The crash occurs when saving a project. I don't know what the issue is, but there's a reproducible case here:
http://squeakvm.org/~lewis/tmp/crash-image.zip
(Thanks to David for rescuing my overly large attachment!)
In an apparently separate issue, when loading a project, I get an error, 'Segment has not been becommed into the loaded objects', raised by ImageSegment>>checkAndReportLoadError. The segment inst var is still an instance of WordArrayForSegment, rather than an Array, so it appears the primitive failed.
Colin
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