On 2010-04-22, at 6:22 AM, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
I still naively believe that if all the programmers of the dynamic language put a logo with apple and a black skull on their web page. Apple will get a bad press.
Yes well I don't think that will achieve much.
Personally I think that the people here involved in the education & university domains need to write actual paper based letters on their institution's letter head and mail them to the Apple education reps for their countries stating their concern about Apple's legal agreements that appear to lockout the iPad for extraordinary use in the computer science curriculum.
This involves passionately arguing for the ability to program, or teach in something other than C, C++, Obj-C or Javascript, I"m sure others are more capable than me in composing that, as a software engineer my words aren't worth much, but I think computer science departments should be voicing their concern on the direction where things appear to be going.
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if we start to make the intersection between smalltalk and university and education then we will end up to nothing. zero ok one or two, now individually we can take the responsibility to say what we think about apple attitude and I will do it for myself.
Stef
On Apr 22, 2010, at 5:15 PM, John M McIntosh wrote:
On 2010-04-22, at 6:22 AM, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
I still naively believe that if all the programmers of the dynamic language put a logo with apple and a black skull on their web page. Apple will get a bad press.
Yes well I don't think that will achieve much.
Personally I think that the people here involved in the education & university domains need to write actual paper based letters on their institution's letter head and mail them to the Apple education reps for their countries stating their concern about Apple's legal agreements that appear to lockout the iPad for extraordinary use in the computer science curriculum.
This involves passionately arguing for the ability to program, or teach in something other than C, C++, Obj-C or Javascript, I"m sure others are more capable than me in composing that, as a software engineer my words aren't worth much, but I think computer science departments should be voicing their concern on the direction where things appear to be going.
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On 2010-04-22, at 11:43 AM, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
if we start to make the intersection between smalltalk and university and education then we will end up to nothing. zero ok one or two, now individually we can take the responsibility to say what we think about apple attitude and I will do it for myself.
Stef
It's not just intersection of Smalltalk, let me ramble, APL, Cobol, Fortran, Lisp, Basic, Lua , Ruby, Perl, Simula, Algol68, PL/I no doubt there are a few more, that is what is at risk.
Or do educational institutes only dabble and teach in C++ still?
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You forgot about all the Pythonistas and Haskeloids:)
On Apr 22, 2010, at 1:00 PM, John M McIntosh johnmci@smalltalkconsulting.com wrote:
On 2010-04-22, at 11:43 AM, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
if we start to make the intersection between smalltalk and university and education then we will end up to nothing. zero ok one or two, now individually we can take the responsibility to say what we think about apple attitude and I will do it for myself.
Stef
It's not just intersection of Smalltalk, let me ramble, APL, Cobol, Fortran, Lisp, Basic, Lua , Ruby, Perl, Simula, Algol68, PL/I no doubt there are a few more, that is what is at risk.
Or do educational institutes only dabble and teach in C++ still?
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Was there any conclusion to these talks?
Radoslav asked yesterday about progress on the issue of Scratch on the iPad, so it's timely to give everyone an update.
I did ask Apple today for an update on the situation and was told: "We're still pondering the issue"
So I remain positive and wait.
On 2010-05-16, at 3:34 AM, radoslav hodnicak wrote:
Was there any conclusion to these talks?
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On 5/17/10 6:08 PM, John M McIntosh wrote:
Radoslav asked yesterday about progress on the issue of Scratch on the iPad, so it's timely to give everyone an update.
I did ask Apple today for an update on the situation and was told: "We're still pondering the issue"
So I remain positive and wait.
Since APple owns part of the copyright to Squeak, perhaps you could just point out to them that it doesn't create an exception to their rule.
Lawson
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