Hello
Where is the home page of the OSProcess package?
The following one
http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/708
is easily found on the wiki but it was last updated in 2008. Does it still apply or is there a newer one?
Regards Hannes
The page 'OSProcess' links to page 'CommandShell'
http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/1914
Is the command shell included if I load OSProcess?
Which version do I get
--HH
On 3/8/18, H. Hirzel hannes.hirzel@gmail.com wrote:
Hello
Where is the home page of the OSProcess package?
The following one
http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/708is easily found on the wiki but it was last updated in 2008. Does it still apply or is there a newer one?
Regards Hannes
On Thu, Mar 08, 2018 at 12:23:58PM +0100, H. Hirzel wrote:
The page 'OSProcess' links to page 'CommandShell'
http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/1914
Is the command shell included if I load OSProcess?
Which version do I get
--HH
Use the latest version of OSProcess and CommandShell, and load both of them. You can also load both from SqueakMap. Please use the head (latest version) and ignore any Squeak version tags or warnings. OSProcess and CommandShell are version independent, but there is no way to say that with SqueakMap.
Dave
On 3/8/18, H. Hirzel hannes.hirzel@gmail.com wrote:
Hello
Where is the home page of the OSProcess package?
The following one
http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/708is easily found on the wiki but it was last updated in 2008. Does it still apply or is there a newer one?
Regards Hannes
This is fine, thank you.
The info has been added to the OSProcess (http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/708) page.
HH
On 3/8/18, David T. Lewis lewis@mail.msen.com wrote:
On Thu, Mar 08, 2018 at 12:23:58PM +0100, H. Hirzel wrote:
The page 'OSProcess' links to page 'CommandShell'
http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/1914
Is the command shell included if I load OSProcess?
Which version do I get
--HH
Use the latest version of OSProcess and CommandShell, and load both of them. You can also load both from SqueakMap. Please use the head (latest version) and ignore any Squeak version tags or warnings. OSProcess and CommandShell are version independent, but there is no way to say that with SqueakMap.
Dave
On 3/8/18, H. Hirzel hannes.hirzel@gmail.com wrote:
Hello
Where is the home page of the OSProcess package?
The following one
http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/708is easily found on the wiki but it was last updated in 2008. Does it still apply or is there a newer one?
Regards Hannes
On Thu, Mar 08, 2018 at 04:01:43PM +0100, H. Hirzel wrote:
This is fine, thank you.
The info has been added to the OSProcess (http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/708) page.
HH
Cool! Thank you very much.
Dave
On 3/8/18, David T. Lewis lewis@mail.msen.com wrote:
On Thu, Mar 08, 2018 at 12:23:58PM +0100, H. Hirzel wrote:
The page 'OSProcess' links to page 'CommandShell'
http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/1914
Is the command shell included if I load OSProcess?
Which version do I get
--HH
Use the latest version of OSProcess and CommandShell, and load both of them. You can also load both from SqueakMap. Please use the head (latest version) and ignore any Squeak version tags or warnings. OSProcess and CommandShell are version independent, but there is no way to say that with SqueakMap.
Dave
On 3/8/18, H. Hirzel hannes.hirzel@gmail.com wrote:
Hello
Where is the home page of the OSProcess package?
The following one
http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/708is easily found on the wiki but it was last updated in 2008. Does it still apply or is there a newer one?
Regards Hannes
Hi All,
On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 7:01 AM, H. Hirzel hannes.hirzel@gmail.com wrote:
This is fine, thank you.
The info has been added to the OSProcess (http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/708) page.
This exemplifies the disaster that is our online documentation. The page has version inf from 2008 and talks about a 64-bit Squeak which has nothing to do with our current release 64-bit Squeak. It is hopelessly misleading to a newbie trying to navigate our documentation. :-(
HH
On 3/8/18, David T. Lewis lewis@mail.msen.com wrote:
On Thu, Mar 08, 2018 at 12:23:58PM +0100, H. Hirzel wrote:
The page 'OSProcess' links to page 'CommandShell'
http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/1914
Is the command shell included if I load OSProcess?
Which version do I get
--HH
Use the latest version of OSProcess and CommandShell, and load both of them. You can also load both from SqueakMap. Please use the head (latest version) and ignore any Squeak version tags or warnings. OSProcess and CommandShell are version independent, but there is no way to say that with SqueakMap.
Dave
On 3/8/18, H. Hirzel hannes.hirzel@gmail.com wrote:
Hello
Where is the home page of the OSProcess package?
The following one
http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/708is easily found on the wiki but it was last updated in 2008. Does it still apply or is there a newer one?
Regards Hannes
Hi Eliot
Thanks for the note about the 64/bit Squeak of 2008 on page
http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/708
I just deleted that reference to a 64 bit version no longer known. And added 'historical'.
I think the most important new information is that OSProcess should be loaded from Squeak map and just the head version.
Though the page http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/708 still could need some improvement it is no longer a disaster I assume and will do a better job than it did last week ....
--Hannes
On 3/9/18, Eliot Miranda eliot.miranda@gmail.com wrote:
Hi All,
On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 7:01 AM, H. Hirzel hannes.hirzel@gmail.com wrote:
This is fine, thank you.
The info has been added to the OSProcess (http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/708) page.
This exemplifies the disaster that is our online documentation. The page has version inf from 2008 and talks about a 64-bit Squeak which has nothing to do with our current release 64-bit Squeak. It is hopelessly misleading to a newbie trying to navigate our documentation. :-(
HH
On 3/8/18, David T. Lewis lewis@mail.msen.com wrote:
On Thu, Mar 08, 2018 at 12:23:58PM +0100, H. Hirzel wrote:
The page 'OSProcess' links to page 'CommandShell'
http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/1914
Is the command shell included if I load OSProcess?
Which version do I get
--HH
Use the latest version of OSProcess and CommandShell, and load both of them. You can also load both from SqueakMap. Please use the head (latest version) and ignore any Squeak version tags or warnings. OSProcess and CommandShell are version independent, but there is no way to say that with SqueakMap.
Dave
On 3/8/18, H. Hirzel hannes.hirzel@gmail.com wrote:
Hello
Where is the home page of the OSProcess package?
The following one
http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/708is easily found on the wiki but it was last updated in 2008. Does it still apply or is there a newer one?
Regards Hannes
-- _,,,^..^,,,_ best, Eliot
On Fri, Mar 09, 2018 at 11:08:55PM +0100, H. Hirzel wrote:
Hi Eliot
Thanks for the note about the 64/bit Squeak of 2008 on page
http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/708I just deleted that reference to a 64 bit version no longer known. And added 'historical'.
Thank you Hannes :-)
Dave
I think the most important new information is that OSProcess should be loaded from Squeak map and just the head version.
Though the page http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/708 still could need some improvement it is no longer a disaster I assume and will do a better job than it did last week ....
--Hannes
On 3/9/18, Eliot Miranda eliot.miranda@gmail.com wrote:
Hi All,
On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 7:01 AM, H. Hirzel hannes.hirzel@gmail.com wrote:
This is fine, thank you.
The info has been added to the OSProcess (http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/708) page.
This exemplifies the disaster that is our online documentation. The page has version inf from 2008 and talks about a 64-bit Squeak which has nothing to do with our current release 64-bit Squeak. It is hopelessly misleading to a newbie trying to navigate our documentation. :-(
HH
On 3/8/18, David T. Lewis lewis@mail.msen.com wrote:
On Thu, Mar 08, 2018 at 12:23:58PM +0100, H. Hirzel wrote:
The page 'OSProcess' links to page 'CommandShell'
http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/1914
Is the command shell included if I load OSProcess?
Which version do I get
--HH
Use the latest version of OSProcess and CommandShell, and load both of them. You can also load both from SqueakMap. Please use the head (latest version) and ignore any Squeak version tags or warnings. OSProcess and CommandShell are version independent, but there is no way to say that with SqueakMap.
Dave
On 3/8/18, H. Hirzel hannes.hirzel@gmail.com wrote:
Hello
Where is the home page of the OSProcess package?
The following one
http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/708is easily found on the wiki but it was last updated in 2008. Does it still apply or is there a newer one?
Regards Hannes
-- _,,,^..^,,,_ best, Eliot
On Fri, Mar 09, 2018 at 12:07:47PM -0800, Eliot Miranda wrote:
Hi All,
On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 7:01 AM, H. Hirzel hannes.hirzel@gmail.com wrote:
This is fine, thank you.
The info has been added to the OSProcess (http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/708) page.
This exemplifies the disaster that is our online documentation. The page has version inf from 2008 and talks about a 64-bit Squeak which has nothing to do with our current release 64-bit Squeak. It is hopelessly misleading to a newbie trying to navigate our documentation. :-(
I will not presume to defend the state of the documentation, but on the plus side, whatever I said about the 64-bit image in 2008 remains true for the Spur 64-bit image in 2018.
Under the "historical versions" section you can see that 10 years ago I said:
Version 4 supports 64-bit and 32-bit Squeak. As of version 3, OSProcess provides limited support for Windows in addition to Unix/Linux.
This is still true for OSProcess 4.6.6 today, and it is equally true for for both the old 32/64 bit formats and the new Spur 32/64 bit formats.
Scrolling all the way down to the bottom of that page, where it describes the original "OSProcess version 0.3" release, I was amused to find this link to my installation instructions from 1999. Check it out if you think nothing has improved over the years :-)
http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/710
Some of the CommandShell documentation (http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/2153) is fairly good, although I don't know if anyone reads it. Oddly enough, people seem to figure out the poorly documented OSProcess without difficulty, but as far as I can tell not too many people pay attention to my carefully documented CommandShell package. I'm not sure I can explain that, maybe it is just hard to find the pages (thanks Hannes for making it better), or maybe nobody uses CommandShell.
Dave
On Thu, Mar 08, 2018 at 12:16:09PM +0100, H. Hirzel wrote:
Hello
Where is the home page of the OSProcess package?
The following one
http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/708is easily found on the wiki but it was last updated in 2008. Does it still apply or is there a newer one?
Regards Hannes
Hi Hannes,
Yes that is the home page. I thought that I had updated it with the proper references to the MC repositories, but either I forgot, or perhaps there is an issue with swiki, to be honest I'm not sure. Either way it clearly needs to be fixed. I can't follow up on in right now but I will try to do so as soon as I can. Thanks for pointing this out.
Overall, the swiki pages of interest for OSProcess are:
http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/708 http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/6176 http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/1914 http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/6023 http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/2153
Dave
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