Hi Mark and others!
I will post a longer message about Squeakworld later tonight but just some small things:
--- Mark Guzdial guzdial@cc.gatech.edu wrote:
At 1:46 PM +0200 5/31/00, Stefan Matthias Aust wrote:
Regarding the web infrastructure, do you know Midgard (www.midgard-project.org). I don't suggest to use that tool, but I like the site layout and the ideas behind that tool. So I recommend
Ok, we will take a look at the layout!
to check it out. It's similar to ZOPE (www.zope.org) in its ideas
Zope is interesting as inspiration, have looked at it from time to time.
and a free, opensourced web site application builder with an easy to use interface, built upon apache, php and mysql.
Bolot Kerimbaev, who's doing Comanche, is a major PHP fan. My guess is that the internals of Comanche already look like Midgard.
I do hope that squeakworld.com can keep to the "Back to the Future" mantra of "Everything in Squeak." For my students and me, I find that focus has enormous value -- at some level, it's all understandable and all inspectable and all explorable. But I do understand that a commercial entity has concerns other than educational, and you certainly have to balance out the Squeak ideals and what you need to do to keep the farm.
I am VERY much in favor of keeping with the mantra - and I believe most everybody else that I have heard from sofar. So Comanche is IMHO THE way to go (until someone proves us wrong!).
And Squeakworld is actually not a "commercial entity" - I know that the .com part makes it sound commercial but it is meant to become a purely volunteer-effort-community-driven site. This means that it is OUR (as in the COMMUNITY, not my company!) site. BUT I still would like it to have a "feel" of an e-zine but with more "activity" on it! So the more userdriven and usercontributed stuff we can have - the better, in my opinion!
If suddenly companies would like to place ads there then we will have to think how we should handle that. But our company - Bluefish - (supplying machine and bandwidth) do not intend to make any money on this - it is pure fun for us.
(Perhaps I should have opted for .org or .net instead but I thought that most people would try .com as "default", you know... linuxworld.com, javaworld.com etc. :-)
At 1:31 AM -0700 5/31/00, "G�ran" Hultgren wrote:
I was thinking of using CVS for content management - and it still might come handy for some things
- but a Swiki solution would be nicer, is this a rendered Swiki or
is the "public" side also served from Comanche? Is there any possibility that we could "borrow" your setup on csl as an example or something? I assume it can be quite tricky to get it configured. Comanche and Swiki-stuff does not really have a trackrecord of being over-documented... ;-) ;-)
CSL is not a rendered Swiki -- both sides are served from Comanche.
Ok, that is actually the way I personally would like it since we then have the possibility of adding "Squeak-behaviour" to the site.
The images and uploads are served from Apple PWS. CoWeb, believe it or not, is a simple Macintosh running OS 8.5. It was a 7100, but I think we've now upgraded that one to a 7600 with a G3 board in it.
I think that Jochen and Bolot would be willing to help configure squeakworld.com, and Bijan, Jochen, Bolot, and Lex are working on the
That would be great.
documentation side. Take a look at Bijan's chapter at http://coweb.cc.gatech.edu/squeakbook/ as a starting point. (It's PWS-only right now, but I've seen demos from Bijan and Lex which suggest that it's expanding to cover more of Squeak networking.)
Mark
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