As Stephen points out the swiki has something similar like the well known wiki "categories" pages. Actually each page acts as a category page because it has a drop-down menu which shows the pages which link to the page.
The problem at the moment is that categorization is not put to systematic use.
If someone has a good idea of a categorization scheme please step forward.
A least we have the color codes in the title section. And we have some good entry points into the net of interlinked pages.
At the moment the documentation team has the focus of removing outdated information, adding current information and creating a comprehensive toc. Later we could think of doing various indexes (som genenerated by scripts). If somebody likes to do this now please join the documentation team.
http://minnow.cc.gatech.edu/squeak/808
There are enough ideas to keep you busy.
Hannes
"Stephen Pair" spair@acm.org wrote:
Serge,
On that page you you assert that WikiTags and WikiBadges are not possible on the Squeak Swiki. They in fact are possible. You can put WikiTags and WikiBadges on any wiki that support reverse link lookup. I've added a comment to this effect on:
http://minnow.cc.gatech.edu/squeak/2352
And, I've started a "RefactorMe" badge page at:
Click the drop down list of links to view all the pages that have been flagged for refactoring.
- Stephen
-----Original Message----- From: squeak-dev-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org [mailto:squeak-dev-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org] On Behalf Of Serge Stinckwich Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 3:04 PM To: squeak-dev@lists.squeakfoundation.org Subject: Wiki refactoring
Hi all.
I think with all the current Wiki agitation, we also need to refactorize the Squeak Wiki. I put some ideas at the end of the Wiki refactoring page : http://minnow.cc.gatech.edu/squeak/2352
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On Tue, 25 Feb 2003 23:51:33 +0100 Hannes Hirzel hannes.hirzel.squeaklist@bluewin.ch wrote:
As Stephen points out the swiki has something similar like the well known wiki "categories" pages. Actually each page acts as a category page because it has a drop-down menu which shows the pages which link to the page.
As i say on the Wiki (http://minnow.cc.gatech.edu/squeak/2352), the only problem i have with Swiki is that there is no CapitalizedWords. I like them because they force you to create meaningfull links, not like single word (like comment or refactor). Read this for a list of advantages of collapsed words : http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?WikiNameAdvantages
I start to add several WikiTag (http://minnow.cc.gatech.edu/squeak/3050). For example, put RecycleMe on unused Swiki pages. when you start to create new swiki pages, use one in the recycle bin.
The problem at the moment is that categorization is not put to systematic use.
If someone has a good idea of a categorization scheme please step forward.
A least we have the color codes in the title section. And we have some good entry points into the net of interlinked pages.
Yes, i know about the color codes, but you can't search colors categories and the number of categories are fixed right now.
At the moment the documentation team has the focus of removing outdated information, adding current information and creating a comprehensive toc. Later we could think of doing various indexes (som genenerated by scripts). If somebody likes to do this now please join the documentation team.
I add the : *Category Home Page* (http://minnow.cc.gatech.edu/squeak/1563) in the Squeak Wiki. You can use this category on you Swiki home page.
On Wednesday, February 26, 2003, at 03:56 AM, Serge Stinckwich wrote:
On Tue, 25 Feb 2003 23:51:33 +0100 Hannes Hirzel hannes.hirzel.squeaklist@bluewin.ch wrote:
As Stephen points out the swiki has something similar like the well known wiki "categories" pages. Actually each page acts as a category page because it has a drop-down menu which shows the pages which link to the page.
As i say on the Wiki (http://minnow.cc.gatech.edu/squeak/2352), the only problem i have with Swiki is that there is no CapitalizedWords. I like them because they force you to create meaningfull links, not like single word (like comment or refactor). Read this for a list of advantages of collapsed words : http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?WikiNameAdvantages
Well, Swiki still allows CapitalizedWords for wiki page names, it just doesn't enforce them. :-)
I don't really buy the idea that enforcing CapitalizedWords is better. The Squeak Swiki has evolved a convention of not using CapitalizedWords, so I think we should probably stick with that.
I think allowing single word page names is actually a good thing. It allows the creation of "definition" pages for words like VM, image, MVC, Morph, Preference, etc., which can be used to create a more Encyclopedic Swiki.
http://minnow.cc.gatech.edu/squeak/2348
Also see http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?WikiNameDisadvantages ;-)
(Actually, I agree that "comment" is a bad example of a wiki page name... we should probably not have wiki pages devoted to method names... that's too low a level of detail, and prone to being made obsolete.)
I start to add several WikiTag (http://minnow.cc.gatech.edu/squeak/3050). For example, put RecycleMe on unused Swiki pages. when you start to create new swiki pages, use one in the recycle bin.
Actually, I don't mind your "RecycleMe" and "RefactorMe" CapitalizedWords for these pages. Using CapitalizedWords for these, indicates that these are special WikiTags, not regular pages, because the rest of the swiki does not use them. So that's good.
The problem at the moment is that categorization is not put to systematic use.
If someone has a good idea of a categorization scheme please step forward.
A least we have the color codes in the title section. And we have some good entry points into the net of interlinked pages.
Yes, i know about the color codes, but you can't search colors categories and the number of categories are fixed right now.
I have to admit that I never notice the color codes and don't find them particularly useful. I've probably created a bunch of pages with the wrong color code. :-)
- Doug Way
On Wed, 5 Mar 2003 01:09:16 -0500 Doug Way dway@riskmetrics.com wrote:
As Stephen points out the swiki has something similar like the well known wiki "categories" pages. Actually each page acts as a category page because it has a drop-down menu which shows the pages which link to the page.
As i say on the Wiki (http://minnow.cc.gatech.edu/squeak/2352), the only problem i have with Swiki is that there is no CapitalizedWords. I like them because they force you to create meaningfull links, not like single word (like comment or refactor). Read this for a list of advantages of collapsed words : http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?WikiNameAdvantages
Well, Swiki still allows CapitalizedWords for wiki page names, it just doesn't enforce them. :-)
Yes you are right. No enforcement means, more prone to chaos ... So we need good and well formalized conventions for writing in the swiki. I start a page for that : http://minnow.cc.gatech.edu/squeak/3075 Please join and interact!
I don't really buy the idea that enforcing CapitalizedWords is better. The Squeak Swiki has evolved a convention of not using CapitalizedWords, so I think we should probably stick with that.
I prefer CapitalizedWords because it's very Smalltalk related, but it's a question of taste :-) In some wiki, you have an option to view CapitalizedWords with space, so it's more readable for newbies.
I think allowing single word page names is actually a good thing. It allows the creation of "definition" pages for words like VM, image, MVC, Morph, Preference, etc., which can be used to create a more Encyclopedic Swiki.
http://minnow.cc.gatech.edu/squeak/2348
Also see http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?WikiNameDisadvantages ;-)
Yes, i already know this page, but i have the WikiNameInRealLifeSyndrome (http://www.c2.com/cgi/wiki?WikiNameInRealLifeSyndrome) !
(Actually, I agree that "comment" is a bad example of a wiki page name... we should probably not have wiki pages devoted to method names... that's too low a level of detail, and prone to being made obsolete.)
I start to add several WikiTag (http://minnow.cc.gatech.edu/squeak/3050). For example, put RecycleMe on unused Swiki pages. when you start to create new swiki pages, use one in the recycle bin.
Actually, I don't mind your "RecycleMe" and "RefactorMe" CapitalizedWords for these pages. Using CapitalizedWords for these, indicates that these are special WikiTags, not regular pages, because the rest of the swiki does not use them. So that's good.
Yes, good idea. We can use this convention for specific tags.
The problem at the moment is that categorization is not put to systematic use.
If someone has a good idea of a categorization scheme please step forward.
A least we have the color codes in the title section. And we have some good entry points into the net of interlinked pages.
Yes, i know about the color codes, but you can't search colors categories and the number of categories are fixed right now.
I have to admit that I never notice the color codes and don't find them particularly useful. I've probably created a bunch of pages with the wrong color code. :-)
Can we upgrade the Squeak Swiki, to the last version of Swiki ? There is still the lame typo in the search form (http://minnow.cc.gatech.edu/squeak/search) : senstitive
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