FWIW, ST80 was kind of a mystery for me for months after coming into Squeak. The name suggests that it's somehow the whole system that was released in 1980. I have a feeling that renaming it MVC would save some confusion for newcomers.
Is there any super compelling reason not to just rename it MVC?
On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 01:15:07PM -0700, Casey Ransberger wrote:
FWIW, ST80 was kind of a mystery for me for months after coming into Squeak. The name suggests that it's somehow the whole system that was released in 1980. I have a feeling that renaming it MVC would save some confusion for newcomers.
Is there any super compelling reason not to just rename it MVC?
If you rename it, you disrupt the version history in Monticello. How about making packages be objects, so we can document these things properly in the package comments?
Dave
On 26.07.2013, at 21:35, "David T. Lewis" lewis@mail.msen.com wrote:
On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 01:15:07PM -0700, Casey Ransberger wrote:
FWIW, ST80 was kind of a mystery for me for months after coming into Squeak. The name suggests that it's somehow the whole system that was released in 1980. I have a feeling that renaming it MVC would save some confusion for newcomers.
Is there any super compelling reason not to just rename it MVC?
If you rename it, you disrupt the version history in Monticello. How about making packages be objects, so we can document these things properly in the package comments?
Dave
In theory it should work fine to "adopt" the latest ST80 package as the parent of the new MVC package. We might want to test that first though ..,
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On 27 July 2013 00:14, Bert Freudenberg bert@freudenbergs.de wrote:
On 26.07.2013, at 21:35, "David T. Lewis" lewis@mail.msen.com wrote:
On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 01:15:07PM -0700, Casey Ransberger wrote:
FWIW, ST80 was kind of a mystery for me for months after coming into Squeak. The name suggests that it's somehow the whole system that was released in 1980. I have a feeling that renaming it MVC would save some confusion for newcomers.
Is there any super compelling reason not to just rename it MVC?
If you rename it, you disrupt the version history in Monticello. How about making packages be objects, so we can document these things properly in the package comments?
Dave
In theory it should work fine to "adopt" the latest ST80 package as the parent of the new MVC package. We might want to test that first though ..,
Bearing in mind that the way to get ST80 _into_ the image in the mid-term will be by going to a catalog and saying "I'd like the original MVC please". The fact that the package names are a bit crufty won't matter all that much then.
frank
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Check out the "rename" function of the WorkingCopy list of the Monticello browser. It calls MCWorkingCopy>>#renameToBe:.
IIRC, it handles attaching the existing ancestry into the newly-named package...
On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 3:35 PM, David T. Lewis lewis@mail.msen.com wrote:
On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 01:15:07PM -0700, Casey Ransberger wrote:
FWIW, ST80 was kind of a mystery for me for months after coming into Squeak. The name suggests that it's somehow the whole system that was released in 1980. I have a feeling that renaming it MVC would save some confusion for newcomers.
Is there any super compelling reason not to just rename it MVC?
If you rename it, you disrupt the version history in Monticello. How about making packages be objects, so we can document these things properly in the package comments?
Dave
On 26-07-2013, at 1:15 PM, Casey Ransberger casey.obrien.r@gmail.com wrote:
FWIW, ST80 was kind of a mystery for me for months after coming into Squeak. The name suggests that it's somehow the whole system that was released in 1980.
Well, it *was*. It's grown a tad since then, and of course many of the bits are still those from 1972's original creation.
tim -- tim Rowledge; tim@rowledge.org; http://www.rowledge.org/tim Why use one word when two polysyllabic agglomerates will do?
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