At the risk of saying something utterly inappropriate...
Chaos rules!
Not really.
for bigger projects (like Squeak Music) a more cooperative effort would be desirable >:)
Then it's up to you to identify a specific project and coordinate the effort. Even though you've not heard much about them in the last month or two (since the UIUC machines went AWOL) there are several streams of significant development going on, with particular groups of people involved in each one. You would do very well to browse the list archives to get a better idea of what's happening -- the last month's traffic is not really representative enough to shed much light on this.
who coordinates everything? Who decides which of two versions of two classes that do the same thing gets rolled into a version?
The core of the system is controlled by a team led by Alan Kay, currently at Walt Disney Imagineering, which includes many of the original Xerox Parc Smalltalk people. They have the last word over what does or does not make it into an "official" Squeak release. This team is represented on the list mainly by Dan Ingalls and John Maloney.
And I still haven't gotten any response as to what the OFFICIAL versions of Squeak on the various platforms are and who is charge of them
The Windows version is maintained by Andreas Raab, who you have read on the list recently. The Acorn port is the work of Tim Rowledge, although he has been a bit quiet of late. Paul Fernhout (sp?) is Mister Squeak On Newton (imminently ;), and I'm very sorry that I can't remember the names of the incredibly enterprising individuals who ported it to WinCE and a couple of OS-less platforms -- but there _are_ "recognised gurus" for those too. (I'm "in charge" of the Unix ports, but that doesn't involve much more than typing "make" in the right place at the right time. ;)
and what the process is on creating/submitting code into it.
Bug reports have in the past always been posted here.
There is a sort of "Squeakiquette" that has emerged over the past 18 months or so for larger bodies of code (making code available on the net and then announcing it here might be a fair summary) -- but you need to browse the archives (or just sit and observe the list for a while) to see how it works. Anything goes, really -- which works very well since the Squeak community is composed of a very "civilised" bunch of people. (The refugees from comp.lang.smalltalk maybe? ;-)
As far as "creating code for it" goes, the more the better!!
If you haven't already, you should definitely read Ted Kaehler's Squeak page at UIUC, and browse Ward Cunningham's Squeak WikiWiki server at www.c2.com:8080, which explain a *lot* about the "Squeak culture and community". (The latter could be considered as a "surrogate FAQ" for Squeak -- the two "trip reports" from last year's OOPSLA in particular contain excellent overviews of the "Squeak community".)
Hope this helps. Regards,
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On Tue 20 Jan, Ian Piumarta wrote:
At the risk of saying something utterly inappropriate... The Windows version is maintained by Andreas Raab, who you have read on the list recently. The Acorn port is the work of Tim Rowledge, although he has been a bit quiet of late.
Oh my, it's been a long time since anyone accused me of being quiet....
The Acorn port is up to date with 1.23 and should fairly soon get to 1.3; I've been trying to sort out some major hot-key & file system irritations recently.
tim PS _Nice_ job on making the jitter stuff reasonably portable. It's even intelligable; a positive triumph.
PPS The only nit to pick so far is that the specialObjectsOop now contains 'ExternalObjects' which is a bit of a misnomer. It seems to refer to objects intended to be externally visible, and apparently only Sempahores at that. I was hoping it might be a neat place to but the displayObject oop that I need to have dealt with specially. Oh well it can go in Interpreter as before...
Hi, Ian!
Re:
Chaos rules!
Not really.
Thanks for sending a very polite and informative message to Serg. I think your modifying influence really helps set the tone of the Squeak list and keeps it from degenerating into flame wars.
Re: I'm "in charge" of the Unix ports, but that doesn't involve much more than typing "make" in the right place at the right time.
You are far too modest! Given that your ports were the first to be done and that Andreas used some of your code in his first Windows port, I'd say that you really lead the charge on Squeak portability. Not to mention the Herculean effort on designing and implementing the JIT.
As Dan probably wrote to you, the entire Squeak group has been sequestered in Orlando, Florida, where we've been forced to tour theme parks and eat extravagant dinners for the past week. We'll be catching up with the heavy traffic on the Squeak list over the next several days.
-- John
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