Hi all,
when I try to publish something to the SqueakSource repository, the response is
HTTP/1.1 302 Found
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 14:02:17 GMT
Server: Apache/1.3.33 (Darwin) mod_jk/1.2.6 mod_ssl/2.8.24 OpenSSL/0.9.7i PHP/4.3.11
Location: http://www.squeaksource.com/ShoreComponents/VersionNumber-pk.3.mcz
Connection: close
Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//IETF//DTD HTML 2.0//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <TITLE>302 Found</TITLE> </HEAD><BODY> <H1>Found</H1> The document has moved <A HREF="http://www.squeaksource.com/ShoreComponents/VersionNumber-pk.3.mcz">here</A>.<P> <HR> <ADDRESS>Apache/1.3.33 Server at squeaksource.com Port 80</ADDRESS> </BODY></HTML>
Tested on MinimalMorphic and 3.9 image on repositories KernelImage and ShoreComponents.
Is the SqueakSource broken?
-- Pavel
Pavel Krivanek puso en su mail :
I seeing normal in Squeak3.9-final-7067.image By the way , I have a partial solution to have preamble / postscript for Monticello . Also I could have non code things and load well. Is taking longer as I expected, no much time (and few brain :=)
Edgar
On Nov 19, 2006, at 15:38 , Edgar J. De Cleene wrote:
By the way , I have a partial solution to have preamble / postscript for Monticello .
What do you mean? There already are pre/post load/unload scripts in PackageInfo, usable by MC.
Also I could have non code things and load well.
This is nice. I always wanted to work on that but never found the time.
- Bert -
On Sun, Nov 19, 2006 at 03:43:41PM +0100, Bert Freudenberg wrote:
On Nov 19, 2006, at 15:38 , Edgar J. De Cleene wrote:
By the way , I have a partial solution to have preamble / postscript for Monticello .
What do you mean? There already are pre/post load/unload scripts in PackageInfo, usable by MC.
OK, I'm completely clueless. I'm looking at a 3.9 image, and I see nothing that looks like "pre/post load/unload scripts" in PackageInfo or MC, and certainly nothing that could serve as a replacement for a SAR. What am I missing?
Thanks, Dave
David T. Lewis puso en su mail :
On Sun, Nov 19, 2006 at 03:43:41PM +0100, Bert Freudenberg wrote:
On Nov 19, 2006, at 15:38 , Edgar J. De Cleene wrote:
By the way , I have a partial solution to have preamble / postscript for Monticello .
What do you mean? There already are pre/post load/unload scripts in PackageInfo, usable by MC.
OK, I'm completely clueless. I'm looking at a 3.9 image, and I see nothing that looks like "pre/post load/unload scripts" in PackageInfo or MC, and certainly nothing that could serve as a replacement for a SAR. What am I missing?
Thanks, Dave
All this begins when Pavel say what hitting Scripts button on Monticello Browser gives the attached walkback. I always use .sar for complex code and extra things like picts, sound, etc and have experience in load this in different version .images (see Rompecabezas.8.sar for a complex "micro app" what figures what load for work) I should mess something and found many are "in progress", as no implemented or no clues or how could manage this. My dirty solution works , until now, only via drag and drop and tell SAR install. Still guessing how manage the fact what sometimes in reduced images you should load something what image lacks BEFORE Monticello owns logic. Take MinimalMorphic and the .cs and .mcz I send for test what works , but need refining...
Edgar
On Mon, Nov 20, 2006 at 10:56:25AM -0300, Edgar J. De Cleene wrote:
David T. Lewis puso en su mail :
On Sun, Nov 19, 2006 at 03:43:41PM +0100, Bert Freudenberg wrote:
What do you mean? There already are pre/post load/unload scripts in PackageInfo, usable by MC.
OK, I'm completely clueless. I'm looking at a 3.9 image, and I see nothing that looks like "pre/post load/unload scripts" in PackageInfo or MC, and certainly nothing that could serve as a replacement for a SAR. What am I missing?
Thanks, Dave
All this begins when Pavel say what hitting Scripts button on Monticello Browser gives the attached walkback. I always use .sar for complex code and extra things like picts, sound, etc and have experience in load this in different version .images (see Rompecabezas.8.sar for a complex "micro app" what figures what load for work) I should mess something and found many are "in progress", as no implemented or no clues or how could manage this. My dirty solution works , until now, only via drag and drop and tell SAR install. Still guessing how manage the fact what sometimes in reduced images you should load something what image lacks BEFORE Monticello owns logic. Take MinimalMorphic and the .cs and .mcz I send for test what works , but need refining...
Thanks Edgar, I will continue to use .sar files.
Dave
David T. Lewis puso en su mail :
Thanks Edgar, I will continue to use .sar files.
Dave
Also I. But you can;t wish put a .sar in SqueakSource, (I complaint against several times, without any listening) That's why Procustes
Edgar
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2006/11/20, David T. Lewis lewis@mail.msen.com:
On Sun, Nov 19, 2006 at 03:43:41PM +0100, Bert Freudenberg wrote:
On Nov 19, 2006, at 15:38 , Edgar J. De Cleene wrote:
By the way , I have a partial solution to have preamble / postscript for Monticello .
What do you mean? There already are pre/post load/unload scripts in PackageInfo, usable by MC.
OK, I'm completely clueless. I'm looking at a 3.9 image, and I see nothing that looks like "pre/post load/unload scripts" in PackageInfo or MC, and certainly nothing that could serve as a replacement for a SAR. What am I missing?
As Edgar said, use the "Scripts" button of the Monticello browser. This doesn't work with the stock 3.9 PackageInfo but should work fine in a 3.8 image, with a Monticello from Impara and a PackageInfo from Impara. For 3.9 the Impara changes need to be packported.
There is also a MCC on mantis that supports postscripts. Preambles could be added easily if required.
Philippe
On Mon, Nov 20, 2006 at 03:53:40PM +0100, Philippe Marschall wrote:
2006/11/20, David T. Lewis lewis@mail.msen.com:
OK, I'm completely clueless. I'm looking at a 3.9 image, and I see nothing that looks like "pre/post load/unload scripts" in PackageInfo or MC, and certainly nothing that could serve as a replacement for a SAR. What am I missing?
As Edgar said, use the "Scripts" button of the Monticello browser. This doesn't work with the stock 3.9 PackageInfo but should work fine in a 3.8 image, with a Monticello from Impara and a PackageInfo from Impara. For 3.9 the Impara changes need to be packported.
Thanks, the Impara sources is the part I was missing.
Dave
On Nov 20, 2006, at 16:33 , David T. Lewis wrote:
On Mon, Nov 20, 2006 at 03:53:40PM +0100, Philippe Marschall wrote:
2006/11/20, David T. Lewis lewis@mail.msen.com:
OK, I'm completely clueless. I'm looking at a 3.9 image, and I see nothing that looks like "pre/post load/unload scripts" in PackageInfo or MC, and certainly nothing that could serve as a replacement for a SAR. What am I missing?
As Edgar said, use the "Scripts" button of the Monticello browser. This doesn't work with the stock 3.9 PackageInfo but should work fine in a 3.8 image, with a Monticello from Impara and a PackageInfo from Impara. For 3.9 the Impara changes need to be packported.
Thanks, the Impara sources is the part I was missing.
Note that I got that PackageInfo version from somewhere else - not sure wherefrom, though, anymore. It has been around for quite a while, but not really used yet.
- Bert -
Bert Freudenberg puso en su mail :
Note that I got that PackageInfo version from somewhere else - not sure wherefrom, though, anymore. It has been around for quite a while, but not really used yet.
- Bert -
From http://source.impara.de/ I got:
PackageInfo-Base-bf.22.mcz Monticello-SR.315.mcz MonticelloConfigurations-pm.mcz
This was the correct files ? Seems work.
Could me point to some made .mcz with preamble and postcript for see ? I wish have also non code into .mcz !!!
How you manage some like this I copy form Rompecabezas.sar.
| misFotos listaArchivos member form str | Smalltalk version = 'SqueakLight' ifTrue:[ self fileInMemberNamed: 'MixedCurves.2.cs'. self fileInMemberNamed: 'MinimalSound.2.cs'].
member _ self memberNamed: 'CatClubBallooning.jpg'. PuzzleMorph foto: (Form fromBinaryStream: member contentStream binary). member _ self memberNamed: 'Taunt011.wav'. PuzzleMorph sonido: (member contentStream binary). PuzzleMorph allPieces
Very thanks in advance !!
Edgar
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On Nov 21, 2006, at 11:35 , Edgar J. De Cleene wrote:
Bert Freudenberg puso en su mail :
Note that I got that PackageInfo version from somewhere else - not sure wherefrom, though, anymore. It has been around for quite a while, but not really used yet.
- Bert -
From http://source.impara.de/ I got:
PackageInfo-Base-bf.22.mcz Monticello-SR.315.mcz MonticelloConfigurations-pm.mcz
This was the correct files ? Seems work.
Well, these are not the versions from the impara repository.
Go to http://source.impara.de/mc.html and click on "Latest" to see our versions.
Could me point to some made .mcz with preamble and postcript for see ?
No. But to edit the scripts, click the script button in MC browser. These are stored in a PackageInfo instance:
(PackageInfo named: 'MyPackage') inspect
I wish have also non code into .mcz !!!
Me too, but I have not investigated that, yet.
- Bert -
Bert Freudenberg puso en su mail :
-
Well, these are not the versions from the impara repository.
Go to http://source.impara.de/mc.html and click on "Latest" to see our versions.
PackageInfo-Base-bf.22.mcz Monticello-jl.287.mcz MonticelloConfigurations-jl.43.mcz
No. But to edit the scripts, click the script button in MC browser. These are stored in a PackageInfo instance:
(PackageInfo named: 'MyPackage') inspect
Similar to my first guess, only made by pros :=)
Me too, but I have not investigated that, yet.
- Bert
Well , now I have something to start on with less guessing and messing. Try to convert my Rompecabezas.9.sar to mcz , and if I success do a tutorial. Maybe someone found useful try to load the same package to different version images , if he knows what was the appropriate for each.
Again, many thanks for lead.
Edgar
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I had to load some of Bert's changes to get Monticello Configurations working. It would be really nice if we could get all these changes together into a 3.9 image somehow. I posted the changes to Mantis. I have no idea how people use Monticello without using Monticello Configurations! (I'd be completely lost without it)
Ron Teitelbaum
-----Original Message----- From: squeak-dev-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org [mailto:squeak-dev- bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org] On Behalf Of David T. Lewis Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 10:34 AM To: The general-purpose Squeak developers list Subject: Re: Broken SqueakSource?
On Mon, Nov 20, 2006 at 03:53:40PM +0100, Philippe Marschall wrote:
2006/11/20, David T. Lewis lewis@mail.msen.com:
OK, I'm completely clueless. I'm looking at a 3.9 image, and I see nothing that looks like "pre/post load/unload scripts" in PackageInfo or MC, and certainly nothing that could serve as a replacement for a SAR. What am I missing?
As Edgar said, use the "Scripts" button of the Monticello browser. This doesn't work with the stock 3.9 PackageInfo but should work fine in a 3.8 image, with a Monticello from Impara and a PackageInfo from Impara. For 3.9 the Impara changes need to be packported.
Thanks, the Impara sources is the part I was missing.
Dave
On 11/20/06, Ron Teitelbaum Ron@usmedrec.com wrote:
I have no idea how people use Monticello without using Monticello Configurations! (I'd be completely lost without it)
FWIW: what we do is to have a single package with no actual code, with dependencies on every other package our application needs (this is a flat dependency tree, not nested). When developing, we commit new versions of the lower-level packages as needed. When we want to release something, we sync up everyone's changes and then commit a new version of the top-level package. That gets loaded by everyone and becomes the basis for a new round of changes.
Avi
Yeah I'm doing that for my main USMRS package. But I also load up Seaside, SeasideAsync, Cees' tric stuff, Glorp, PostgresV2, a bunch of cryptography stuff and more, and I want to know when something changes anywhere. Plus I load this frequently to a virgin image to make sure I can load everything up properly. Monticello Configurations is wonderful for this!
Ron
-----Original Message----- From: Avi Bryant [mailto:avi.bryant@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 2:30 PM To: Ron@usmedrec.com; The general-purpose Squeak developers list Subject: Re: RE: Broken SqueakSource?
On 11/20/06, Ron Teitelbaum Ron@usmedrec.com wrote:
I have no idea how people use Monticello without using Monticello Configurations! (I'd
be
completely lost without it)
FWIW: what we do is to have a single package with no actual code, with dependencies on every other package our application needs (this is a flat dependency tree, not nested). When developing, we commit new versions of the lower-level packages as needed. When we want to release something, we sync up everyone's changes and then commit a new version of the top-level package. That gets loaded by everyone and becomes the basis for a new round of changes.
Avi
Ron Teitelbaum wrote:
... I have no idea how people use Monticello without using Monticello Configurations!
I used MCC for a while, but I couldn't figure out how to set up Apache to allow upload of .mcz's, and MCC did not work properly for directory repositories. Also, I didn't want to keep a squeaksource image up and running all the time. So, I just stopped building from scratch - temporarily.
I use a pre-built base image to do builds from. The last time I updated it was when I moved from 3.7 to 3.8. It basically has Postgres and Seaside.
Just recently, I needed to do build & release better, so I just run a script (see below) in my pre-built image.
install | repo |
repo := MCDirectoryRepository new directory: (FileDirectory on: 'Y:\mc'). #( 'SeasideMods-yj.1.mcz' 'ImageExtensions-yj.4.mcz' "..." ) do: [:fn | (repo versionFromFileNamed: fn) load].
When I got tired of typing in version numbers, I wrote:
installLatest | packageNames allFileNames repo |
packageNames := #( 'SeasideMods' 'ImageExtensions' "..." ).
repo := MCDirectoryRepository new directory: (FileDirectory on: 'Y:\mc'). allFileNames := repo directory fileNamesMatching: '*.mcz'.
packageNames collect: [:each | | max fileName | max := 0. (allFileNames select: [:fn | each, '-*' match: fn]) do: [:entry | (entry findBetweenSubStrs: #($.)) allButLast last asInteger > max ifTrue: [fileName := entry]]. Transcript cr; show: fileName. (repo versionFromFileNamed: fileName) load. ].
2006/11/20, Ron Teitelbaum Ron@usmedrec.com:
I had to load some of Bert's changes to get Monticello Configurations working. It would be really nice if we could get all these changes together into a 3.9 image somehow. I posted the changes to Mantis. I have no idea how people use Monticello without using Monticello Configurations! (I'd be completely lost without it)
There is also: http://bugs.impara.de/view.php?id=5071 http://bugs.impara.de/view.php?id=4991
Cheers Philippe
Ron Teitelbaum
-----Original Message----- From: squeak-dev-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org [mailto:squeak-dev- bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org] On Behalf Of David T. Lewis Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 10:34 AM To: The general-purpose Squeak developers list Subject: Re: Broken SqueakSource?
On Mon, Nov 20, 2006 at 03:53:40PM +0100, Philippe Marschall wrote:
2006/11/20, David T. Lewis lewis@mail.msen.com:
OK, I'm completely clueless. I'm looking at a 3.9 image, and I see nothing that looks like "pre/post load/unload scripts" in PackageInfo or MC, and certainly nothing that could serve as a replacement for a SAR. What am I missing?
As Edgar said, use the "Scripts" button of the Monticello browser. This doesn't work with the stock 3.9 PackageInfo but should work fine in a 3.8 image, with a Monticello from Impara and a PackageInfo from Impara. For 3.9 the Impara changes need to be packported.
Thanks, the Impara sources is the part I was missing.
Dave
This is mine: http://bugs.impara.de/view.php?id=5217
Ron
-----Original Message----- From: Philippe Marschall [mailto:philippe.marschall@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 4:07 PM To: Ron@usmedrec.com; The general-purpose Squeak developers list Subject: Re: Broken SqueakSource?
2006/11/20, Ron Teitelbaum Ron@usmedrec.com:
I had to load some of Bert's changes to get Monticello Configurations working. It would be really nice if we could get all these changes
together
into a 3.9 image somehow. I posted the changes to Mantis. I have no
idea
how people use Monticello without using Monticello Configurations! (I'd
be
completely lost without it)
There is also: http://bugs.impara.de/view.php?id=5071 http://bugs.impara.de/view.php?id=4991
Cheers Philippe
Ron Teitelbaum
-----Original Message----- From: squeak-dev-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org [mailto:squeak-
dev-
bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org] On Behalf Of David T. Lewis Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 10:34 AM To: The general-purpose Squeak developers list Subject: Re: Broken SqueakSource?
On Mon, Nov 20, 2006 at 03:53:40PM +0100, Philippe Marschall wrote:
2006/11/20, David T. Lewis lewis@mail.msen.com:
OK, I'm completely clueless. I'm looking at a 3.9 image, and I see nothing that looks like "pre/post load/unload scripts" in
PackageInfo
or MC, and certainly nothing that could serve as a replacement for a SAR. What am I missing?
As Edgar said, use the "Scripts" button of the Monticello browser. This doesn't work with the stock 3.9 PackageInfo but should work
fine
in a 3.8 image, with a Monticello from Impara and a PackageInfo from Impara. For 3.9 the Impara changes need to be packported.
Thanks, the Impara sources is the part I was missing.
Dave
I've used MC for small projects, but never used configurations. Did they even exist in 3.8? This is the first I've heard about them. Since I've used Envy and Store, it is pretty easy to guess what they are for. But it would be nice to have a little documentation. I found some e-mail and blog posts discussing MC configurations, but no real documentation.
3.9 comes with a MC Configuration editor, so I am guessing that configurations are fairly new. It would be hard to figure it out by trial and error. The 3,9 MC user interface is wretched. It is much harder to figure out than the old interface. The MC user interface in 3,7 and 3.8 was not great, but not bad. The UI in 3.9 is not only ugly, it is confusing. I gave up on it.
-Ralph Johnson
Ralph Johnson wrote:
I've used MC for small projects, but never used configurations. Did they even exist in 3.8? This is the first I've heard about them.
MCC's were originally developed and used in Tweak (which is 3.8-based).
Since I've used Envy and Store, it is pretty easy to guess what they are for. But it would be nice to have a little documentation. I found some e-mail and blog posts discussing MC configurations, but no real documentation.
The closest to documentation is probably here: http://tweak.impara.de/ABOUT/FAQ/#Q4A http://tweak.impara.de/ABOUT/FAQ/MCConfigurationUpdates/
3.9 comes with a MC Configuration editor, so I am guessing that configurations are fairly new. It would be hard to figure it out by trial and error. The 3,9 MC user interface is wretched. It is much harder to figure out than the old interface. The MC user interface in 3,7 and 3.8 was not great, but not bad. The UI in 3.9 is not only ugly, it is confusing. I gave up on it.
I haven't looked closely at 3.9 but is there even a significant difference between the UI in 3.8 and 3.9?
Cheers, - Andreas
I haven't looked closely at 3.9 but is there even a significant difference between the UI in 3.8 and 3.9?
I looked at it again and it was not what I remembered. But it is different from the UI in the version of MC that comes with 3,8. My guess is that some of the problems I had are related to the bugs that were reported recently. The documentation you mentioned will help.
-Ralph Johnson
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