In my never ending battle with the plugin, I've hard coded more memory into my vm, renamed it and plopped it into the .netscape directory. (I didn't symlink as I want to keep the other vm for "real" Squeak). This works (sort of), but the image I'm using
http://www.squeakland.org/installers/SqueakPlugin.image.gz
won't allow a red button menu to be produced.
I strongly suspect that this image was produced using a different glibc to the one I have (if so, it's _very_ naughty not to have labelled it) and the chances of something with a different glibc version actually running on a system with a different one are pretty remote (maybe even never).
So, can anyone point me to the latest sources?
Cheers
John
If the items I mention in the next few lines are simply due to typos in your original message, ignore the rest....
In my never ending battle with the plugin, I've hard coded more memory into my vm, renamed it and plopped it into the .netscape directory. (I didn't symlink as I want to keep the other vm for "real" Squeak). This works (sort of), but the image I'm using
You mean the browser-plugin-vm rather than plugin-as-in-InterpreterPlugin, right? With an unfortunate confluence of naming we have to be very careful so as to avoid confusing less expert users.
http://www.squeakland.org/installers/SqueakPlugin.image.gz
won't allow a red button menu to be produced.
I strongly suspect that this image was produced using a different glibc to the one I have (if so, it's _very_ naughty not to have labelled it) and the chances of something with a different glibc version actually running on a system with a different one are pretty remote (maybe even never).
Images have nothing whatsoever to do with any version of any C library. You meant VM, right? Of course you did. Not getting various menus is usually going to be a result of the image rather than the VM, and an image intended to be used as a browser plugin image islikely to have many things restricted to make it play nicely inside the browser world.
tim
Thanks all and sorry for the terminological inexactitudes.
Michael Rueger wrote:
John Hinsley wrote:
won't allow a red button menu to be produced.
It's disabled.
¡¡¡*&^poPol&&££$!!! I guess there must be a reason, but this looks (and feels!) like a huge step backwards.
Try cmd-shift-w :-)
Thanks! This works -- at least with the stuff on Jochen's Swiki as Squeakland project. (Squeakland looks to be down.)
So I can now save projects to my local disk. I can tell: they're there and try to load. But I run into weird messages like:
reading an instance of SwikiControls: which modern class should it translate to?
(which makes some kind of sense since it came from a Swiki, but I'm damned if I know the answer) or even
reading an instance of StateButtonMorph:
(likewise....) and this doesn't IIRC only apply to the stuff on Jochen's Swiki.
Looks to me like this stuff isn't useable by kids off line which probably means non-rich kids at home or kids in the undeveloped world at any time. Doesn't this devalue the plug-in as easy interface model, or am I missing something?
Cheers
John
John Hinsley wrote:
won't allow a red button menu to be produced.
It's disabled.
¡¡¡*&^poPol&&££$!!! I guess there must be a reason, but this looks (and feels!) like a huge step backwards.
Well, we did it because a lot of first time Squeakland users don't know what to do with the world menu and it keeps getting into their way.
reading an instance of SwikiControls: which modern class should it translate to?
(which makes some kind of sense since it came from a Swiki, but I'm damned if I know the answer) or even
reading an instance of StateButtonMorph:
(likewise....) and this doesn't IIRC only apply to the stuff on Jochen's Swiki.
RTFM ;-) You have to fileIn some extra sources into the standard plugin image in order to use Je77's Swiki.
The Squeakland image does not (yet) support Je77's stuff by default.
Looks to me like this stuff isn't useable by kids off line which probably means non-rich kids at home or kids in the undeveloped world at any time. Doesn't this devalue the plug-in as easy interface model, or am I missing something?
See above.
There is a new update on Squeakland that should fix (hopefully) the problems people had with saving to local disk.
Michael
John Hinsley wrote:
¡¡¡*&^poPol&&££$!!! I guess there must be a reason, but this looks (and feels!) like a huge step backwards.
Try cmd-shift-w :-)
Thanks! This works -- at least with the stuff on Jochen's Swiki as Squeakland project. (Squeakland looks to be down.)
So I can now save projects to my local disk. I can tell: they're there and try to load. But I run into weird messages like:
reading an instance of SwikiControls: which modern class should it translate to?
(which makes some kind of sense since it came from a Swiki, but I'm damned if I know the answer) or even
reading an instance of StateButtonMorph:
(likewise....) and this doesn't IIRC only apply to the stuff on Jochen's Swiki.
Looks to me like this stuff isn't useable by kids off line which probably means non-rich kids at home or kids in the undeveloped world at any time. Doesn't this devalue the plug-in as easy interface model, or am I missing something?
Yes, I was! (That's nothing new!) Run the SqueakPlugin.image, file in Jochen's chageset and the stuff on Jochen's Swiki runs locally just fine.
Looks like the plugin has become a very different animal from "ordinary" Squeak.
Cheers
John
reading an instance of SwikiControls: which modern class should it translate to? reading an instance of StateButtonMorph:
Both SwikiControls and StateButtonMorph are project Swiki file-ins. File in http://manatee.cc.gatech.edu:8080/files/SwikiNavigation.st and then open the project.
Peace and Luck!
Je77
On Tuesday 30 October 2001 02:51 pm, John Hinsley wrote:
works (sort of), but the image I'm using
http://www.squeakland.org/installers/SqueakPlugin.image.gz
won't allow a red button menu to be produced.
The plugin image has the World menus disabled.
If you want a World menu, you could try control-click, then "desktop menu"; there's probably a preference set somewhere that controls the World menu.
I strongly suspect that this image was produced using a different glibc to the one I have (if so, it's _very_ naughty not to have labelled it) and the chances of something with a different glibc version actually running on a system with a different one are pretty remote (maybe even never).
What difference does the glibc make to the _image_ ?
The images should run on any VM.
So, can anyone point me to the latest sources?
I think they're on the FTP site ftp://st.cs.uiuc.edu/Smalltalk/Squeak/3.0/unstable-testPilot/Squeak-3.1a-4164pre1-src.tar.gz except that they're missing a number of patches (like they don't work with the clipboard or mouse wheel very well).
On Tue, 30 Oct 2001, John Hinsley wrote:
So, can anyone point me to the latest sources?
http://isgwww.cs.uni-magdeburg.de/~bert/squeak/plugin/download.html
which are mirrored at squeakland. I think Michael (maintainer at SqueakLand) did only update the image, not the VM part.
Also see
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/squeak/message/35600
on the current status of NPSqueak.
-- Bert
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