I have an issue with Morphic projects and Transcript. This is in latest Trunk image.
Transcript works in HomeProject Transcript does not work in Unnamed1 ( This is a Morphic Project, it will show same transcript stream as HomeProject)
Transcript work in Unnamed2 ( This is a MVC project) [image: bild.png]
Best, Karl
Hi Karl,
can you provide detailed instructions to reproduce this? If I create Unnamed1, Unnamed2 as in your example and switch back to Unnamed1, all projects still seem to work. Do you maybe have enabled the "System window embed" preference and dropped a transcript from one of the projects into another one? Maybe you can debug the issue by inspecting "Project transcript" and the model of the transcript window in question. They should point to the same instance.
Best,
Christoph
________________________________ Von: Squeak-dev squeak-dev-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org im Auftrag von karl ramberg karlramberg@gmail.com Gesendet: Sonntag, 4. Dezember 2022 20:14:52 An: The general-purpose Squeak developers list Betreff: [squeak-dev] Transcript not working in Morphic projects ?
I have an issue with Morphic projects and Transcript. This is in latest Trunk image.
Transcript works in HomeProject Transcript does not work in Unnamed1 ( This is a Morphic Project, it will show same transcript stream as HomeProject)
Transcript work in Unnamed2 ( This is a MVC project) [bild.png]
Best, Karl
My images must have gotten into a weird state. Not sure what is going on. I'll download new images and try again :-)
Best, Karl
On Sun, Dec 4, 2022 at 8:45 PM Thiede, Christoph < Christoph.Thiede@student.hpi.uni-potsdam.de> wrote:
Hi Karl,
can you provide detailed instructions to reproduce this? If I create Unnamed1, Unnamed2 as in your example and switch back to Unnamed1, all projects still seem to work. Do you maybe have enabled the "System window embed" preference and dropped a transcript from one of the projects into another one? Maybe you can debug the issue by inspecting "Project transcript" and the model of the transcript window in question. They should point to the same instance.
Best,
Christoph
*Von:* Squeak-dev squeak-dev-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org im Auftrag von karl ramberg karlramberg@gmail.com *Gesendet:* Sonntag, 4. Dezember 2022 20:14:52 *An:* The general-purpose Squeak developers list *Betreff:* [squeak-dev] Transcript not working in Morphic projects ?
I have an issue with Morphic projects and Transcript. This is in latest Trunk image.
Transcript works in HomeProject Transcript does not work in Unnamed1 ( This is a Morphic Project, it will show same transcript stream as HomeProject)
Transcript work in Unnamed2 ( This is a MVC project) [image: bild.png]
Best, Karl
Hm, I got the same issue with a fresh downloaded Trunk image. No text is displayed in the Transcript
To reproduce: -Make a new Morphic Project -Enter project and open a Workspace and Transcript -See if the Transcript responds.
[image: bild.png]
Best, Karl
On Sun, Dec 4, 2022 at 10:40 PM karl ramberg karlramberg@gmail.com wrote:
My images must have gotten into a weird state. Not sure what is going on. I'll download new images and try again :-)
Best, Karl
On Sun, Dec 4, 2022 at 8:45 PM Thiede, Christoph < Christoph.Thiede@student.hpi.uni-potsdam.de> wrote:
Hi Karl,
can you provide detailed instructions to reproduce this? If I create Unnamed1, Unnamed2 as in your example and switch back to Unnamed1, all projects still seem to work. Do you maybe have enabled the "System window embed" preference and dropped a transcript from one of the projects into another one? Maybe you can debug the issue by inspecting "Project transcript" and the model of the transcript window in question. They should point to the same instance.
Best,
Christoph
*Von:* Squeak-dev squeak-dev-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org im Auftrag von karl ramberg karlramberg@gmail.com *Gesendet:* Sonntag, 4. Dezember 2022 20:14:52 *An:* The general-purpose Squeak developers list *Betreff:* [squeak-dev] Transcript not working in Morphic projects ?
I have an issue with Morphic projects and Transcript. This is in latest Trunk image.
Transcript works in HomeProject Transcript does not work in Unnamed1 ( This is a Morphic Project, it will show same transcript stream as HomeProject)
Transcript work in Unnamed2 ( This is a MVC project) [image: bild.png]
Best, Karl
On 2022-12-04, at 1:51 PM, karl ramberg karlramberg@gmail.com wrote:
Hm, I got the same issue with a fresh downloaded Trunk image. No text is displayed in the Transcript
To reproduce: -Make a new Morphic Project -Enter project and open a Workspace and Transcript -See if the Transcript responds.
This is very odd; it works perfectly well in my 22114 update image (Pi 64bit as usual). Not sure the new project should default to having flap/tabs though.
Just in case I tried it in both possible orders - create transcript then workspace - create workspace and then transcript in case it was something to do with binding the morph to the name.
Err, and the second project I created *didn't* have the flap tabs. Gronk?
tim -- tim Rowledge; tim@rowledge.org; http://www.rowledge.org/tim Useful Latin Phrases:- Quo signo nata es? = What's your sign?
On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 12:33 AM tim Rowledge tim@rowledge.org wrote:
On 2022-12-04, at 1:51 PM, karl ramberg karlramberg@gmail.com wrote:
Hm, I got the same issue with a fresh downloaded Trunk image. No text is displayed in the Transcript
To reproduce: -Make a new Morphic Project -Enter project and open a Workspace and Transcript -See if the Transcript responds.
This is very odd; it works perfectly well in my 22114 update image (Pi 64bit as usual). Not sure the new project should default to having flap/tabs though.
Just in case I tried it in both possible orders
- create transcript then workspace
- create workspace and then transcript
in case it was something to do with binding the morph to the name.
I'm mystified. I got his error several times. Now I can't reprodroduce it.
Best, Karl
Hi,
MacOS x86-64, Squeak 6.0 as shipped with image 22104 - fresh install with nothing else Squeak related on the system.
Start a new image
Open Transcript
Open Workspace
In the workspace type: Transcript show: 'hello 1'.
Shows in Transcript
Next Create a Morphic project
Open it
Open Transcript
Open Workspace
In the workspace type: Transcript show: 'hello 2'.
Nothing shows.
Return to Previous Project
Create a MVC project
Open it
Open Transcript
Open Workspace
In the workspace type: Transcript show: 'hello 3'
Shows in Transcript.
Now if I do the same thing in Squeak 6.1 22297, downloading just the images/changes/sources, again on MacOS X x86-64 then it works fine.
And now, very interestingly, if I return to the as downloaded MacOS X Squeak 6.0 22104 the problem has gone away.
So I am running the same VM in both cases, but clearly 2 different images. One in the Downloaded app directory and then one separately downloaded.
Now... If I remove all trace of Squeak from the system, re-install Squeak 6.0 22104 from the dmg, the problem comes back with Squeak 6.0 update 22104,
But downloading and running just the Squeak 6.1 images/changes .zip, unzipping it, running the above commands make the same set of commands run correctly in Squeak 6.0 22104.
I don't see anything changing in the Squeak app directory. A find looking for recently modified files under Library/Saved Application/Sate/org.squeak.squeak6.0-64bit.savedState and I can't see how this is changing things.
On Windows this works fine with Squeak 6.0 22104. Ditto x86-64 Linux
Karl - Are you running on MacOS?
cheers
bruce
On 2022-12-05T07:21:36.000+01:00, karl ramberg karlramberg@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 12:33 AM tim Rowledge tim@rowledge.org wrote:
On 2022-12-04, at 1:51 PM, karl ramberg karlramberg@gmail.com
wrote: > > Hm, > I got the same issue with a fresh downloaded Trunk image. > No text is displayed in the Transcript > > To reproduce: > -Make a new Morphic Project > -Enter project and open a Workspace and Transcript > -See if the Transcript responds. This is very odd; it works perfectly well in my 22114 update image (Pi 64bit as usual). Not sure the new project should default to having flap/tabs though. Just in case I tried it in both possible orders - create transcript then workspace - create workspace and then transcript in case it was something to do with binding the morph to the name.
I'm mystified. I got his error several times. Now I can't reprodroduce it. Best, Karl -------------------------
On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 10:18 AM Bruce O'Neel bruce.oneel@pckswarms.ch wrote:
Hi,
MacOS x86-64, Squeak 6.0 as shipped with image 22104 - fresh install with nothing else Squeak related on the system.
Start a new image Open Transcript Open Workspace In the workspace type: Transcript show: 'hello 1'. Shows in Transcript
Next Create a Morphic project Open it Open Transcript Open Workspace In the workspace type: Transcript show: 'hello 2'. Nothing shows.
Yes, I saw the same. Glad you could confirm my sanity :-D
Return to Previous Project
Create a MVC project Open it Open Transcript Open Workspace In the workspace type: Transcript show: 'hello 3' Shows in Transcript.
Now if I do the same thing in Squeak 6.1 22297, downloading just the images/changes/sources, again on MacOS X x86-64 then it works fine.
And now, very interestingly, if I return to the as downloaded MacOS X Squeak 6.0 22104 the problem has gone away.
So I am running the same VM in both cases, but clearly 2 different images. One in the Downloaded app directory and then one separately downloaded.
Now... If I remove all trace of Squeak from the system, re-install Squeak 6.0 22104 from the dmg, the problem comes back with Squeak 6.0 update 22104,
But downloading and running just the Squeak 6.1 images/changes .zip, unzipping it, running the above commands make the same set of commands run correctly in Squeak 6.0 22104.
I don't see anything changing in the Squeak app directory. A find looking for recently modified files under Library/Saved Application/Sate/org.squeak.squeak6.0-64bit.savedState and I can't see how this is changing things.
On Windows this works fine with Squeak 6.0 22104. Ditto x86-64 Linux
Karl - Are you running on MacOS?
No, all testing I did was on Windows 10 and 11. It's a very peculiar issue.
Best, Karl
cheers
bruce
On 2022-12-05T07:21:36.000+01:00, karl ramberg karlramberg@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 12:33 AM tim Rowledge tim@rowledge.org wrote:
On 2022-12-04, at 1:51 PM, karl ramberg karlramberg@gmail.com wrote:
Hm, I got the same issue with a fresh downloaded Trunk image. No text is displayed in the Transcript
To reproduce: -Make a new Morphic Project -Enter project and open a Workspace and Transcript -See if the Transcript responds.
This is very odd; it works perfectly well in my 22114 update image (Pi 64bit as usual). Not sure the new project should default to having flap/tabs though.
Just in case I tried it in both possible orders
- create transcript then workspace
- create workspace and then transcript
in case it was something to do with binding the morph to the name.
I'm mystified. I got his error several times. Now I can't reprodroduce it.
Best, Karl
I could not reproduce the issue on Windows with a 22104 image and the 202206021410 VM. Could you inspect Project current transcript identityHash and the transcript window's model identity hash for both projects and compare the results?
Best,
Christoph
________________________________ Von: Squeak-dev squeak-dev-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org im Auftrag von karl ramberg karlramberg@gmail.com Gesendet: Montag, 5. Dezember 2022 13:01:15 An: Bruce O'Neel Cc: The general-purpose Squeak developers list Betreff: Re: [squeak-dev] Transcript not working in Morphic projects ?
On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 10:18 AM Bruce O'Neel <bruce.oneel@pckswarms.chmailto:bruce.oneel@pckswarms.ch> wrote: Hi,
MacOS x86-64, Squeak 6.0 as shipped with image 22104 - fresh install with nothing else Squeak related on the system.
Start a new image Open Transcript Open Workspace In the workspace type: Transcript show: 'hello 1'. Shows in Transcript
Next Create a Morphic project Open it Open Transcript Open Workspace In the workspace type: Transcript show: 'hello 2'. Nothing shows.
Yes, I saw the same. Glad you could confirm my sanity :-D
Return to Previous Project
Create a MVC project Open it Open Transcript Open Workspace In the workspace type: Transcript show: 'hello 3' Shows in Transcript.
Now if I do the same thing in Squeak 6.1 22297, downloading just the images/changes/sources, again on MacOS X x86-64 then it works fine.
And now, very interestingly, if I return to the as downloaded MacOS X Squeak 6.0 22104 the problem has gone away.
So I am running the same VM in both cases, but clearly 2 different images. One in the Downloaded app directory and then one separately downloaded.
Now... If I remove all trace of Squeak from the system, re-install Squeak 6.0 22104 from the dmg, the problem comes back with Squeak 6.0 update 22104,
But downloading and running just the Squeak 6.1 images/changes .zip, unzipping it, running the above commands make the same set of commands run correctly in Squeak 6.0 22104.
I don't see anything changing in the Squeak app directory. A find looking for recently modified files under Library/Saved Application/Sate/org.squeak.squeak6.0-64bit.savedState and I can't see how this is changing things.
On Windows this works fine with Squeak 6.0 22104. Ditto x86-64 Linux
Karl - Are you running on MacOS?
No, all testing I did was on Windows 10 and 11. It's a very peculiar issue.
Best, Karl
cheers
bruce
On 2022-12-05T07:21:36.000+01:00, karl ramberg <karlramberg@gmail.commailto:karlramberg@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 12:33 AM tim Rowledge <tim@rowledge.orgmailto:tim@rowledge.org> wrote:
On 2022-12-04, at 1:51 PM, karl ramberg <karlramberg@gmail.commailto:karlramberg@gmail.com> wrote:
Hm, I got the same issue with a fresh downloaded Trunk image. No text is displayed in the Transcript
To reproduce: -Make a new Morphic Project -Enter project and open a Workspace and Transcript -See if the Transcript responds.
This is very odd; it works perfectly well in my 22114 update image (Pi 64bit as usual). Not sure the new project should default to having flap/tabs though.
Just in case I tried it in both possible orders - create transcript then workspace - create workspace and then transcript in case it was something to do with binding the morph to the name.
I'm mystified. I got his error several times. Now I can't reprodroduce it.
Best, Karl
________________________________
On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 2:44 PM Thiede, Christoph < Christoph.Thiede@student.hpi.uni-potsdam.de> wrote:
I could not reproduce the issue on Windows with a 22104 image and the 202206021410 VM. Could you inspect Project current transcript identityHash and the transcript window's model identity hash for both projects and compare the results?
I did this test in a fresh image.
Transcript works in the Home project. In the new project theTranscript got the title "Transcript #2" and does not respond.
The two Transcripts in Home project and the new project have different identityHash: 2484433 and 3994991
I opened another project in the same image and the fault was gone.
C:\Users\Karl\Downloads\TranscriptBug\Squeak6.1alpha-22300-64bit-202206021410-Windows-x64\Squeak.exe Open Smalltalk Cog[Spur] VM [CoInterpreterPrimitives VMMaker.oscog-dtl.3185] Win32 built on Jun 2 2022 15:29:44 Compiler: Clang 14.0.3 platform sources revision VM: 202206021410 runneradmin@fv-az455-257:/d/a/opensmalltalk-vm/opensmalltalk-vm Date: Thu Jun 2 16:10:44 2022 CommitHash: c9fd365 Plugins: 202206021410 runneradmin@fv-az455-257:/d/a/opensmalltalk-vm/opensmalltalk-vm CoInterpreter VMMaker.oscog-dtl.3185 uuid: 0e7f07b8-eed6-4362-b223-86c98594ddb9 Jun 2 2022 StackToRegisterMappingCogit VMMaker.oscog-mt.3179 uuid: c6fbcb07-2a19-ed4f-8b40-9c119a70882a Jun 2 2022
Best, Karl
Best,
Christoph
*Von:* Squeak-dev squeak-dev-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org im Auftrag von karl ramberg karlramberg@gmail.com *Gesendet:* Montag, 5. Dezember 2022 13:01:15 *An:* Bruce O'Neel *Cc:* The general-purpose Squeak developers list *Betreff:* Re: [squeak-dev] Transcript not working in Morphic projects ?
On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 10:18 AM Bruce O'Neel bruce.oneel@pckswarms.ch wrote:
Hi,
MacOS x86-64, Squeak 6.0 as shipped with image 22104 - fresh install with nothing else Squeak related on the system.
Start a new image Open Transcript Open Workspace In the workspace type: Transcript show: 'hello 1'. Shows in Transcript
Next Create a Morphic project Open it Open Transcript Open Workspace In the workspace type: Transcript show: 'hello 2'. Nothing shows.
Yes, I saw the same. Glad you could confirm my sanity :-D
Return to Previous Project
Create a MVC project Open it Open Transcript Open Workspace In the workspace type: Transcript show: 'hello 3' Shows in Transcript.
Now if I do the same thing in Squeak 6.1 22297, downloading just the images/changes/sources, again on MacOS X x86-64 then it works fine.
And now, very interestingly, if I return to the as downloaded MacOS X Squeak 6.0 22104 the problem has gone away.
So I am running the same VM in both cases, but clearly 2 different images. One in the Downloaded app directory and then one separately downloaded.
Now... If I remove all trace of Squeak from the system, re-install Squeak 6.0 22104 from the dmg, the problem comes back with Squeak 6.0 update 22104,
But downloading and running just the Squeak 6.1 images/changes .zip, unzipping it, running the above commands make the same set of commands run correctly in Squeak 6.0 22104.
I don't see anything changing in the Squeak app directory. A find looking for recently modified files under Library/Saved Application/Sate/org.squeak.squeak6.0-64bit.savedState and I can't see how this is changing things.
On Windows this works fine with Squeak 6.0 22104. Ditto x86-64 Linux
Karl - Are you running on MacOS?
No, all testing I did was on Windows 10 and 11. It's a very peculiar issue.
Best, Karl
cheers
bruce
On 2022-12-05T07:21:36.000+01:00, karl ramberg karlramberg@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 12:33 AM tim Rowledge tim@rowledge.org wrote:
On 2022-12-04, at 1:51 PM, karl ramberg karlramberg@gmail.com wrote:
Hm, I got the same issue with a fresh downloaded Trunk image. No text is displayed in the Transcript
To reproduce: -Make a new Morphic Project -Enter project and open a Workspace and Transcript -See if the Transcript responds.
This is very odd; it works perfectly well in my 22114 update image (Pi 64bit as usual). Not sure the new project should default to having flap/tabs though.
Just in case I tried it in both possible orders
- create transcript then workspace
- create workspace and then transcript
in case it was something to do with binding the morph to the name.
I'm mystified. I got his error several times. Now I can't reprodroduce it.
Best, Karl
Some background that may help in diagnosis...
This finds all assignments toi Transcript, either directly "Transcript := expr" or via Smalltalk at: #Transcript put: expr.
Add to ParseNode: anySatisfy: aBlock self nodesDo: [:n| (aBlock value: n) ifTrue: [^true]]. ^false
then
| tb sb | sb := Smalltalk bindingOf: #Smalltalk. tb := Smalltalk bindingOf: #Transcript. self sn browseAllSelect: [:m| ((m hasLiteral: tb) and: [m methodNode anySatisfy: [:n| n isAssignmentNode and: [n variable key == tb]]]) or: [(m hasLiteral: #Transcript) and: [m methodNode anySatisfy: [:n| n isMessageNode and: [n selector key == #at:put: and: [n receiver ifNil: [false] ifNotNil: [:r| r isVariableNode and: [r key == sb and: [n arguments first isLiteralNode and: [n arguments first key == #Transcript]]]]]]]]]]
On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 11:13 AM karl ramberg karlramberg@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 2:44 PM Thiede, Christoph < Christoph.Thiede@student.hpi.uni-potsdam.de> wrote:
I could not reproduce the issue on Windows with a 22104 image and the 202206021410 VM. Could you inspect Project current transcript identityHash and the transcript window's model identity hash for both projects and compare the results?
I did this test in a fresh image.
Transcript works in the Home project. In the new project theTranscript got the title "Transcript #2" and does not respond.
The two Transcripts in Home project and the new project have different identityHash: 2484433 and 3994991
I opened another project in the same image and the fault was gone.
C:\Users\Karl\Downloads\TranscriptBug\Squeak6.1alpha-22300-64bit-202206021410-Windows-x64\Squeak.exe Open Smalltalk Cog[Spur] VM [CoInterpreterPrimitives VMMaker.oscog-dtl.3185] Win32 built on Jun 2 2022 15:29:44 Compiler: Clang 14.0.3 platform sources revision VM: 202206021410 runneradmin@fv-az455-257:/d/a/opensmalltalk-vm/opensmalltalk-vm Date: Thu Jun 2 16:10:44 2022 CommitHash: c9fd365 Plugins: 202206021410 runneradmin@fv-az455-257:/d/a/opensmalltalk-vm/opensmalltalk-vm CoInterpreter VMMaker.oscog-dtl.3185 uuid: 0e7f07b8-eed6-4362-b223-86c98594ddb9 Jun 2 2022 StackToRegisterMappingCogit VMMaker.oscog-mt.3179 uuid: c6fbcb07-2a19-ed4f-8b40-9c119a70882a Jun 2 2022
Best, Karl
Best,
Christoph
*Von:* Squeak-dev squeak-dev-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org im Auftrag von karl ramberg karlramberg@gmail.com *Gesendet:* Montag, 5. Dezember 2022 13:01:15 *An:* Bruce O'Neel *Cc:* The general-purpose Squeak developers list *Betreff:* Re: [squeak-dev] Transcript not working in Morphic projects ?
On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 10:18 AM Bruce O'Neel bruce.oneel@pckswarms.ch wrote:
Hi,
MacOS x86-64, Squeak 6.0 as shipped with image 22104 - fresh install with nothing else Squeak related on the system.
Start a new image Open Transcript Open Workspace In the workspace type: Transcript show: 'hello 1'. Shows in Transcript
Next Create a Morphic project Open it Open Transcript Open Workspace In the workspace type: Transcript show: 'hello 2'. Nothing shows.
Yes, I saw the same. Glad you could confirm my sanity :-D
Return to Previous Project
Create a MVC project Open it Open Transcript Open Workspace In the workspace type: Transcript show: 'hello 3' Shows in Transcript.
Now if I do the same thing in Squeak 6.1 22297, downloading just the images/changes/sources, again on MacOS X x86-64 then it works fine.
And now, very interestingly, if I return to the as downloaded MacOS X Squeak 6.0 22104 the problem has gone away.
So I am running the same VM in both cases, but clearly 2 different images. One in the Downloaded app directory and then one separately downloaded.
Now... If I remove all trace of Squeak from the system, re-install Squeak 6.0 22104 from the dmg, the problem comes back with Squeak 6.0 update 22104,
But downloading and running just the Squeak 6.1 images/changes .zip, unzipping it, running the above commands make the same set of commands run correctly in Squeak 6.0 22104.
I don't see anything changing in the Squeak app directory. A find looking for recently modified files under Library/Saved Application/Sate/org.squeak.squeak6.0-64bit.savedState and I can't see how this is changing things.
On Windows this works fine with Squeak 6.0 22104. Ditto x86-64 Linux
Karl - Are you running on MacOS?
No, all testing I did was on Windows 10 and 11. It's a very peculiar issue.
Best, Karl
cheers
bruce
On 2022-12-05T07:21:36.000+01:00, karl ramberg karlramberg@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 12:33 AM tim Rowledge tim@rowledge.org wrote:
On 2022-12-04, at 1:51 PM, karl ramberg karlramberg@gmail.com wrote:
Hm, I got the same issue with a fresh downloaded Trunk image. No text is displayed in the Transcript
To reproduce: -Make a new Morphic Project -Enter project and open a Workspace and Transcript -See if the Transcript responds.
This is very odd; it works perfectly well in my 22114 update image (Pi 64bit as usual). Not sure the new project should default to having flap/tabs though.
Just in case I tried it in both possible orders
- create transcript then workspace
- create workspace and then transcript
in case it was something to do with binding the morph to the name.
I'm mystified. I got his error several times. Now I can't reprodroduce it.
Best, Karl
On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 1:17 PM Eliot Miranda eliot.miranda@gmail.com wrote:
Some background that may help in diagnosis...
This finds all assignments toi Transcript, either directly "Transcript := expr" or via Smalltalk at: #Transcript put: expr.
Add to ParseNode: anySatisfy: aBlock self nodesDo: [:n| (aBlock value: n) ifTrue: [^true]]. ^false
then
| tb sb | sb := Smalltalk bindingOf: #Smalltalk. tb := Smalltalk bindingOf: #Transcript. self sn browseAllSelect: [:m| ((m hasLiteral: tb) and: [m methodNode anySatisfy: [:n| n isAssignmentNode and: [n variable key == tb]]]) or: [(m hasLiteral: #Transcript) and: [m methodNode anySatisfy: [:n| n isMessageNode and: [n selector key == #at:put: and: [n receiver ifNil: [false] ifNotNil: [:r| r isVariableNode and: [r key == sb and: [n arguments first isLiteralNode and: [n arguments first key == #Transcript]]]]]]]]]]
Ugh. Did not mean to send yet. Anyway...
That shows that a project's transcript is installed in Project newState:, which assigns the project's transcript via TranscriptStream class>>#newTranscript:. That implies that all normal transcripts are unique to a project and have just one dependent (see TranscriptStream>>#open).
So the first thing to check is are all projects in your image holding onto unique transcripts. e.g. im my image
{Project allSubInstances size. (IdentitySet withAll: (Project allSubInstances collect: #transcript)) size} #(5 5)
HTH
On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 11:13 AM karl ramberg karlramberg@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 2:44 PM Thiede, Christoph < Christoph.Thiede@student.hpi.uni-potsdam.de> wrote:
I could not reproduce the issue on Windows with a 22104 image and the 202206021410 VM. Could you inspect Project current transcript identityHash and the transcript window's model identity hash for both projects and compare the results?
I did this test in a fresh image.
Transcript works in the Home project. In the new project theTranscript got the title "Transcript #2" and does not respond.
The two Transcripts in Home project and the new project have different identityHash: 2484433 and 3994991
I opened another project in the same image and the fault was gone.
C:\Users\Karl\Downloads\TranscriptBug\Squeak6.1alpha-22300-64bit-202206021410-Windows-x64\Squeak.exe Open Smalltalk Cog[Spur] VM [CoInterpreterPrimitives VMMaker.oscog-dtl.3185] Win32 built on Jun 2 2022 15:29:44 Compiler: Clang 14.0.3 platform sources revision VM: 202206021410 runneradmin@fv-az455-257:/d/a/opensmalltalk-vm/opensmalltalk-vm Date: Thu Jun 2 16:10:44 2022 CommitHash: c9fd365 Plugins: 202206021410 runneradmin@fv-az455-257:/d/a/opensmalltalk-vm/opensmalltalk-vm CoInterpreter VMMaker.oscog-dtl.3185 uuid: 0e7f07b8-eed6-4362-b223-86c98594ddb9 Jun 2 2022 StackToRegisterMappingCogit VMMaker.oscog-mt.3179 uuid: c6fbcb07-2a19-ed4f-8b40-9c119a70882a Jun 2 2022
Best, Karl
Best,
Christoph
*Von:* Squeak-dev squeak-dev-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org im Auftrag von karl ramberg karlramberg@gmail.com *Gesendet:* Montag, 5. Dezember 2022 13:01:15 *An:* Bruce O'Neel *Cc:* The general-purpose Squeak developers list *Betreff:* Re: [squeak-dev] Transcript not working in Morphic projects ?
On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 10:18 AM Bruce O'Neel bruce.oneel@pckswarms.ch wrote:
Hi,
MacOS x86-64, Squeak 6.0 as shipped with image 22104 - fresh install with nothing else Squeak related on the system.
Start a new image Open Transcript Open Workspace In the workspace type: Transcript show: 'hello 1'. Shows in Transcript
Next Create a Morphic project Open it Open Transcript Open Workspace In the workspace type: Transcript show: 'hello 2'. Nothing shows.
Yes, I saw the same. Glad you could confirm my sanity :-D
Return to Previous Project
Create a MVC project Open it Open Transcript Open Workspace In the workspace type: Transcript show: 'hello 3' Shows in Transcript.
Now if I do the same thing in Squeak 6.1 22297, downloading just the images/changes/sources, again on MacOS X x86-64 then it works fine.
And now, very interestingly, if I return to the as downloaded MacOS X Squeak 6.0 22104 the problem has gone away.
So I am running the same VM in both cases, but clearly 2 different images. One in the Downloaded app directory and then one separately downloaded.
Now... If I remove all trace of Squeak from the system, re-install Squeak 6.0 22104 from the dmg, the problem comes back with Squeak 6.0 update 22104,
But downloading and running just the Squeak 6.1 images/changes .zip, unzipping it, running the above commands make the same set of commands run correctly in Squeak 6.0 22104.
I don't see anything changing in the Squeak app directory. A find looking for recently modified files under Library/Saved Application/Sate/org.squeak.squeak6.0-64bit.savedState and I can't see how this is changing things.
On Windows this works fine with Squeak 6.0 22104. Ditto x86-64 Linux
Karl - Are you running on MacOS?
No, all testing I did was on Windows 10 and 11. It's a very peculiar issue.
Best, Karl
cheers
bruce
On 2022-12-05T07:21:36.000+01:00, karl ramberg karlramberg@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 12:33 AM tim Rowledge tim@rowledge.org wrote:
On 2022-12-04, at 1:51 PM, karl ramberg karlramberg@gmail.com
wrote:
Hm, I got the same issue with a fresh downloaded Trunk image. No text is displayed in the Transcript
To reproduce: -Make a new Morphic Project -Enter project and open a Workspace and Transcript -See if the Transcript responds.
This is very odd; it works perfectly well in my 22114 update image (Pi 64bit as usual). Not sure the new project should default to having flap/tabs though.
Just in case I tried it in both possible orders
- create transcript then workspace
- create workspace and then transcript
in case it was something to do with binding the morph to the name.
I'm mystified. I got his error several times. Now I can't reprodroduce it.
Best, Karl
-- _,,,^..^,,,_ best, Eliot
Hi, I get this result from testing.
[image: bild.png]
Best, Karl
On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 10:22 PM Eliot Miranda eliot.miranda@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 1:17 PM Eliot Miranda eliot.miranda@gmail.com wrote:
Some background that may help in diagnosis...
This finds all assignments toi Transcript, either directly "Transcript := expr" or via Smalltalk at: #Transcript put: expr.
Add to ParseNode: anySatisfy: aBlock self nodesDo: [:n| (aBlock value: n) ifTrue: [^true]]. ^false
then
| tb sb | sb := Smalltalk bindingOf: #Smalltalk. tb := Smalltalk bindingOf: #Transcript. self sn browseAllSelect: [:m| ((m hasLiteral: tb) and: [m methodNode anySatisfy: [:n| n isAssignmentNode and: [n variable key == tb]]]) or: [(m hasLiteral: #Transcript) and: [m methodNode anySatisfy: [:n| n isMessageNode and: [n selector key == #at:put: and: [n receiver ifNil: [false] ifNotNil: [:r| r isVariableNode and: [r key == sb and: [n arguments first isLiteralNode and: [n arguments first key == #Transcript]]]]]]]]]]
Ugh. Did not mean to send yet. Anyway...
That shows that a project's transcript is installed in Project newState:, which assigns the project's transcript via TranscriptStream class>>#newTranscript:. That implies that all normal transcripts are unique to a project and have just one dependent (see TranscriptStream>>#open).
So the first thing to check is are all projects in your image holding onto unique transcripts. e.g. im my image
{Project allSubInstances size. (IdentitySet withAll: (Project allSubInstances collect: #transcript)) size} #(5 5)
HTH
On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 11:13 AM karl ramberg karlramberg@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 2:44 PM Thiede, Christoph < Christoph.Thiede@student.hpi.uni-potsdam.de> wrote:
I could not reproduce the issue on Windows with a 22104 image and the 202206021410 VM. Could you inspect Project current transcript identityHash and the transcript window's model identity hash for both projects and compare the results?
I did this test in a fresh image.
Transcript works in the Home project. In the new project theTranscript got the title "Transcript #2" and does not respond.
The two Transcripts in Home project and the new project have different identityHash: 2484433 and 3994991
I opened another project in the same image and the fault was gone.
C:\Users\Karl\Downloads\TranscriptBug\Squeak6.1alpha-22300-64bit-202206021410-Windows-x64\Squeak.exe Open Smalltalk Cog[Spur] VM [CoInterpreterPrimitives VMMaker.oscog-dtl.3185] Win32 built on Jun 2 2022 15:29:44 Compiler: Clang 14.0.3 platform sources revision VM: 202206021410 runneradmin@fv-az455-257:/d/a/opensmalltalk-vm/opensmalltalk-vm Date: Thu Jun 2 16:10:44 2022 CommitHash: c9fd365 Plugins: 202206021410 runneradmin@fv-az455-257:/d/a/opensmalltalk-vm/opensmalltalk-vm CoInterpreter VMMaker.oscog-dtl.3185 uuid: 0e7f07b8-eed6-4362-b223-86c98594ddb9 Jun 2 2022 StackToRegisterMappingCogit VMMaker.oscog-mt.3179 uuid: c6fbcb07-2a19-ed4f-8b40-9c119a70882a Jun 2 2022
Best, Karl
Best,
Christoph
*Von:* Squeak-dev squeak-dev-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org im Auftrag von karl ramberg karlramberg@gmail.com *Gesendet:* Montag, 5. Dezember 2022 13:01:15 *An:* Bruce O'Neel *Cc:* The general-purpose Squeak developers list *Betreff:* Re: [squeak-dev] Transcript not working in Morphic projects ?
On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 10:18 AM Bruce O'Neel bruce.oneel@pckswarms.ch wrote:
Hi,
MacOS x86-64, Squeak 6.0 as shipped with image 22104 - fresh install with nothing else Squeak related on the system.
Start a new image Open Transcript Open Workspace In the workspace type: Transcript show: 'hello 1'. Shows in Transcript
Next Create a Morphic project Open it Open Transcript Open Workspace In the workspace type: Transcript show: 'hello 2'. Nothing shows.
Yes, I saw the same. Glad you could confirm my sanity :-D
Return to Previous Project
Create a MVC project Open it Open Transcript Open Workspace In the workspace type: Transcript show: 'hello 3' Shows in Transcript.
Now if I do the same thing in Squeak 6.1 22297, downloading just the images/changes/sources, again on MacOS X x86-64 then it works fine.
And now, very interestingly, if I return to the as downloaded MacOS X Squeak 6.0 22104 the problem has gone away.
So I am running the same VM in both cases, but clearly 2 different images. One in the Downloaded app directory and then one separately downloaded.
Now... If I remove all trace of Squeak from the system, re-install Squeak 6.0 22104 from the dmg, the problem comes back with Squeak 6.0 update 22104,
But downloading and running just the Squeak 6.1 images/changes .zip, unzipping it, running the above commands make the same set of commands run correctly in Squeak 6.0 22104.
I don't see anything changing in the Squeak app directory. A find looking for recently modified files under Library/Saved Application/Sate/org.squeak.squeak6.0-64bit.savedState and I can't see how this is changing things.
On Windows this works fine with Squeak 6.0 22104. Ditto x86-64 Linux
Karl - Are you running on MacOS?
No, all testing I did was on Windows 10 and 11. It's a very peculiar issue.
Best, Karl
cheers
bruce
On 2022-12-05T07:21:36.000+01:00, karl ramberg karlramberg@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 12:33 AM tim Rowledge tim@rowledge.org wrote:
On 2022-12-04, at 1:51 PM, karl ramberg karlramberg@gmail.com
wrote:
Hm, I got the same issue with a fresh downloaded Trunk image. No text is displayed in the Transcript
To reproduce: -Make a new Morphic Project -Enter project and open a Workspace and Transcript -See if the Transcript responds.
This is very odd; it works perfectly well in my 22114 update image (Pi 64bit as usual). Not sure the new project should default to having flap/tabs though.
Just in case I tried it in both possible orders
- create transcript then workspace
- create workspace and then transcript
in case it was something to do with binding the morph to the name.
I'm mystified. I got his error several times. Now I can't reprodroduce it.
Best, Karl
-- _,,,^..^,,,_ best, Eliot
-- _,,,^..^,,,_ best, Eliot
Another bit of information on this issue:
Transcript open (DoIt) in a Workspace creates a working Transcript.
But if I open Transcript from a menu, it will often create a non responsive Transcript
Best, Karl
On Tue, Dec 6, 2022 at 9:55 PM karl ramberg karlramberg@gmail.com wrote:
Hi, I get this result from testing.
[image: bild.png]
Best, Karl
On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 10:22 PM Eliot Miranda eliot.miranda@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 1:17 PM Eliot Miranda eliot.miranda@gmail.com wrote:
Some background that may help in diagnosis...
This finds all assignments toi Transcript, either directly "Transcript := expr" or via Smalltalk at: #Transcript put: expr.
Add to ParseNode: anySatisfy: aBlock self nodesDo: [:n| (aBlock value: n) ifTrue: [^true]]. ^false
then
| tb sb | sb := Smalltalk bindingOf: #Smalltalk. tb := Smalltalk bindingOf: #Transcript. self sn browseAllSelect: [:m| ((m hasLiteral: tb) and: [m methodNode anySatisfy: [:n| n isAssignmentNode and: [n variable key == tb]]]) or: [(m hasLiteral: #Transcript) and: [m methodNode anySatisfy: [:n| n isMessageNode and: [n selector key == #at:put: and: [n receiver ifNil: [false] ifNotNil: [:r| r isVariableNode and: [r key == sb and: [n arguments first isLiteralNode and: [n arguments first key == #Transcript]]]]]]]]]]
Ugh. Did not mean to send yet. Anyway...
That shows that a project's transcript is installed in Project newState:, which assigns the project's transcript via TranscriptStream class>>#newTranscript:. That implies that all normal transcripts are unique to a project and have just one dependent (see TranscriptStream>>#open).
So the first thing to check is are all projects in your image holding onto unique transcripts. e.g. im my image
{Project allSubInstances size. (IdentitySet withAll: (Project allSubInstances collect: #transcript)) size} #(5 5)
HTH
On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 11:13 AM karl ramberg karlramberg@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 2:44 PM Thiede, Christoph < Christoph.Thiede@student.hpi.uni-potsdam.de> wrote:
I could not reproduce the issue on Windows with a 22104 image and the 202206021410 VM. Could you inspect Project current transcript identityHash and the transcript window's model identity hash for both projects and compare the results?
I did this test in a fresh image.
Transcript works in the Home project. In the new project theTranscript got the title "Transcript #2" and does not respond.
The two Transcripts in Home project and the new project have different identityHash: 2484433 and 3994991
I opened another project in the same image and the fault was gone.
C:\Users\Karl\Downloads\TranscriptBug\Squeak6.1alpha-22300-64bit-202206021410-Windows-x64\Squeak.exe Open Smalltalk Cog[Spur] VM [CoInterpreterPrimitives VMMaker.oscog-dtl.3185] Win32 built on Jun 2 2022 15:29:44 Compiler: Clang 14.0.3 platform sources revision VM: 202206021410 runneradmin@fv-az455-257:/d/a/opensmalltalk-vm/opensmalltalk-vm Date: Thu Jun 2 16:10:44 2022 CommitHash: c9fd365 Plugins: 202206021410 runneradmin@fv-az455-257:/d/a/opensmalltalk-vm/opensmalltalk-vm CoInterpreter VMMaker.oscog-dtl.3185 uuid: 0e7f07b8-eed6-4362-b223-86c98594ddb9 Jun 2 2022 StackToRegisterMappingCogit VMMaker.oscog-mt.3179 uuid: c6fbcb07-2a19-ed4f-8b40-9c119a70882a Jun 2 2022
Best, Karl
Best,
Christoph
*Von:* Squeak-dev squeak-dev-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org im Auftrag von karl ramberg karlramberg@gmail.com *Gesendet:* Montag, 5. Dezember 2022 13:01:15 *An:* Bruce O'Neel *Cc:* The general-purpose Squeak developers list *Betreff:* Re: [squeak-dev] Transcript not working in Morphic projects ?
On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 10:18 AM Bruce O'Neel bruce.oneel@pckswarms.ch wrote:
Hi,
MacOS x86-64, Squeak 6.0 as shipped with image 22104 - fresh install with nothing else Squeak related on the system.
Start a new image Open Transcript Open Workspace In the workspace type: Transcript show: 'hello 1'. Shows in Transcript
Next Create a Morphic project Open it Open Transcript Open Workspace In the workspace type: Transcript show: 'hello 2'. Nothing shows.
Yes, I saw the same. Glad you could confirm my sanity :-D
Return to Previous Project
Create a MVC project Open it Open Transcript Open Workspace In the workspace type: Transcript show: 'hello 3' Shows in Transcript.
Now if I do the same thing in Squeak 6.1 22297, downloading just the images/changes/sources, again on MacOS X x86-64 then it works fine.
And now, very interestingly, if I return to the as downloaded MacOS X Squeak 6.0 22104 the problem has gone away.
So I am running the same VM in both cases, but clearly 2 different images. One in the Downloaded app directory and then one separately downloaded.
Now... If I remove all trace of Squeak from the system, re-install Squeak 6.0 22104 from the dmg, the problem comes back with Squeak 6.0 update 22104,
But downloading and running just the Squeak 6.1 images/changes .zip, unzipping it, running the above commands make the same set of commands run correctly in Squeak 6.0 22104.
I don't see anything changing in the Squeak app directory. A find looking for recently modified files under Library/Saved Application/Sate/org.squeak.squeak6.0-64bit.savedState and I can't see how this is changing things.
On Windows this works fine with Squeak 6.0 22104. Ditto x86-64 Linux
Karl - Are you running on MacOS?
No, all testing I did was on Windows 10 and 11. It's a very peculiar issue.
Best, Karl
cheers
bruce
On 2022-12-05T07:21:36.000+01:00, karl ramberg karlramberg@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 12:33 AM tim Rowledge tim@rowledge.org wrote:
> On 2022-12-04, at 1:51 PM, karl ramberg karlramberg@gmail.com wrote: > > Hm, > I got the same issue with a fresh downloaded Trunk image. > No text is displayed in the Transcript > > To reproduce: > -Make a new Morphic Project > -Enter project and open a Workspace and Transcript > -See if the Transcript responds.
This is very odd; it works perfectly well in my 22114 update image (Pi 64bit as usual). Not sure the new project should default to having flap/tabs though.
Just in case I tried it in both possible orders
- create transcript then workspace
- create workspace and then transcript
in case it was something to do with binding the morph to the name.
I'm mystified. I got his error several times. Now I can't reprodroduce it.
Best, Karl
-- _,,,^..^,,,_ best, Eliot
-- _,,,^..^,,,_ best, Eliot
My only idea would be to debug the invocation of the Transcript menu item and watch out for where the TranscriptStream instance is coming from. Sorry if this is not helpful ...
Best,
Christoph
________________________________ Von: Squeak-dev squeak-dev-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org im Auftrag von karl ramberg karlramberg@gmail.com Gesendet: Sonntag, 11. Dezember 2022 13:25:40 An: The general-purpose Squeak developers list Betreff: Re: [squeak-dev] Transcript not working in Morphic projects ?
Another bit of information on this issue:
Transcript open (DoIt) in a Workspace creates a working Transcript.
But if I open Transcript from a menu, it will often create a non responsive Transcript
Best, Karl
On Tue, Dec 6, 2022 at 9:55 PM karl ramberg <karlramberg@gmail.commailto:karlramberg@gmail.com> wrote: Hi, I get this result from testing.
[bild.png]
Best, Karl
On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 10:22 PM Eliot Miranda <eliot.miranda@gmail.commailto:eliot.miranda@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 1:17 PM Eliot Miranda <eliot.miranda@gmail.commailto:eliot.miranda@gmail.com> wrote: Some background that may help in diagnosis...
This finds all assignments toi Transcript, either directly "Transcript := expr" or via Smalltalk at: #Transcript put: expr.
Add to ParseNode: anySatisfy: aBlock self nodesDo: [:n| (aBlock value: n) ifTrue: [^true]]. ^false
then
| tb sb | sb := Smalltalk bindingOf: #Smalltalk. tb := Smalltalk bindingOf: #Transcript. self sn browseAllSelect: [:m| ((m hasLiteral: tb) and: [m methodNode anySatisfy: [:n| n isAssignmentNode and: [n variable key == tb]]]) or: [(m hasLiteral: #Transcript) and: [m methodNode anySatisfy: [:n| n isMessageNode and: [n selector key == #at:put: and: [n receiver ifNil: [false] ifNotNil: [:r| r isVariableNode and: [r key == sb and: [n arguments first isLiteralNode and: [n arguments first key == #Transcript]]]]]]]]]]
Ugh. Did not mean to send yet. Anyway...
That shows that a project's transcript is installed in Project newState:, which assigns the project's transcript via TranscriptStream class>>#newTranscript:. That implies that all normal transcripts are unique to a project and have just one dependent (see TranscriptStream>>#open).
So the first thing to check is are all projects in your image holding onto unique transcripts. e.g. im my image
{Project allSubInstances size. (IdentitySet withAll: (Project allSubInstances collect: #transcript)) size} #(5 5)
HTH
On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 11:13 AM karl ramberg <karlramberg@gmail.commailto:karlramberg@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 2:44 PM Thiede, Christoph <Christoph.Thiede@student.hpi.uni-potsdam.demailto:Christoph.Thiede@student.hpi.uni-potsdam.de> wrote:
I could not reproduce the issue on Windows with a 22104 image and the 202206021410 VM. Could you inspect Project current transcript identityHash and the transcript window's model identity hash for both projects and compare the results?
I did this test in a fresh image.
Transcript works in the Home project. In the new project theTranscript got the title "Transcript #2" and does not respond.
The two Transcripts in Home project and the new project have different identityHash: 2484433 and 3994991
I opened another project in the same image and the fault was gone.
C:\Users\Karl\Downloads\TranscriptBug\Squeak6.1alpha-22300-64bit-202206021410-Windows-x64\Squeak.exe Open Smalltalk Cog[Spur] VM [CoInterpreterPrimitives VMMaker.oscog-dtl.3185] Win32 built on Jun 2 2022 15:29:44 Compiler: Clang 14.0.3 platform sources revision VM: 202206021410 runneradmin@fv-az455-257:/d/a/opensmalltalk-vm/opensmalltalk-vm Date: Thu Jun 2 16:10:44 2022 CommitHash: c9fd365 Plugins: 202206021410 runneradmin@fv-az455-257:/d/a/opensmalltalk-vm/opensmalltalk-vm CoInterpreter VMMaker.oscog-dtl.3185 uuid: 0e7f07b8-eed6-4362-b223-86c98594ddb9 Jun 2 2022 StackToRegisterMappingCogit VMMaker.oscog-mt.3179 uuid: c6fbcb07-2a19-ed4f-8b40-9c119a70882a Jun 2 2022
Best, Karl
Best,
Christoph
________________________________ Von: Squeak-dev <squeak-dev-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.orgmailto:squeak-dev-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org> im Auftrag von karl ramberg <karlramberg@gmail.commailto:karlramberg@gmail.com> Gesendet: Montag, 5. Dezember 2022 13:01:15 An: Bruce O'Neel Cc: The general-purpose Squeak developers list Betreff: Re: [squeak-dev] Transcript not working in Morphic projects ?
On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 10:18 AM Bruce O'Neel <bruce.oneel@pckswarms.chmailto:bruce.oneel@pckswarms.ch> wrote: Hi,
MacOS x86-64, Squeak 6.0 as shipped with image 22104 - fresh install with nothing else Squeak related on the system.
Start a new image Open Transcript Open Workspace In the workspace type: Transcript show: 'hello 1'. Shows in Transcript
Next Create a Morphic project Open it Open Transcript Open Workspace In the workspace type: Transcript show: 'hello 2'. Nothing shows.
Yes, I saw the same. Glad you could confirm my sanity :-D
Return to Previous Project
Create a MVC project Open it Open Transcript Open Workspace In the workspace type: Transcript show: 'hello 3' Shows in Transcript.
Now if I do the same thing in Squeak 6.1 22297, downloading just the images/changes/sources, again on MacOS X x86-64 then it works fine.
And now, very interestingly, if I return to the as downloaded MacOS X Squeak 6.0 22104 the problem has gone away.
So I am running the same VM in both cases, but clearly 2 different images. One in the Downloaded app directory and then one separately downloaded.
Now... If I remove all trace of Squeak from the system, re-install Squeak 6.0 22104 from the dmg, the problem comes back with Squeak 6.0 update 22104,
But downloading and running just the Squeak 6.1 images/changes .zip, unzipping it, running the above commands make the same set of commands run correctly in Squeak 6.0 22104.
I don't see anything changing in the Squeak app directory. A find looking for recently modified files under Library/Saved Application/Sate/org.squeak.squeak6.0-64bit.savedState and I can't see how this is changing things.
On Windows this works fine with Squeak 6.0 22104. Ditto x86-64 Linux
Karl - Are you running on MacOS?
No, all testing I did was on Windows 10 and 11. It's a very peculiar issue.
Best, Karl
cheers
bruce
On 2022-12-05T07:21:36.000+01:00, karl ramberg <karlramberg@gmail.commailto:karlramberg@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 12:33 AM tim Rowledge <tim@rowledge.orgmailto:tim@rowledge.org> wrote:
On 2022-12-04, at 1:51 PM, karl ramberg <karlramberg@gmail.commailto:karlramberg@gmail.com> wrote:
Hm, I got the same issue with a fresh downloaded Trunk image. No text is displayed in the Transcript
To reproduce: -Make a new Morphic Project -Enter project and open a Workspace and Transcript -See if the Transcript responds.
This is very odd; it works perfectly well in my 22114 update image (Pi 64bit as usual). Not sure the new project should default to having flap/tabs though.
Just in case I tried it in both possible orders - create transcript then workspace - create workspace and then transcript in case it was something to do with binding the morph to the name.
I'm mystified. I got his error several times. Now I can't reprodroduce it.
Best, Karl
________________________________
-- _,,,^..^,,,_ best, Eliot
-- _,,,^..^,,,_ best, Eliot
Hi all --
Hopefully fixed via Morphic-mt.2057 (Trunk). Backported to 6.0.
Best, Marcel
Am 18.12.2022 20:25:11 schrieb Thiede, Christoph christoph.thiede@student.hpi.uni-potsdam.de:
My only idea would be to debug the invocation of the Transcript menu item and watch out for where the TranscriptStream instance is coming from. Sorry if this is not helpful ...
Best,
Christoph
________________________________ Von: Squeak-dev squeak-dev-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org im Auftrag von karl ramberg karlramberg@gmail.com Gesendet: Sonntag, 11. Dezember 2022 13:25:40 An: The general-purpose Squeak developers list Betreff: Re: [squeak-dev] Transcript not working in Morphic projects ?
Another bit of information on this issue:
Transcript open (DoIt) in a Workspace creates a working Transcript.
But if I open Transcript from a menu, it will often create a non responsive Transcript
Best, Karl
On Tue, Dec 6, 2022 at 9:55 PM karl ramberg <karlramberg@gmail.commailto:karlramberg@gmail.com> wrote: Hi, I get this result from testing.
[bild.png]
Best, Karl
On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 10:22 PM Eliot Miranda <eliot.miranda@gmail.commailto:eliot.miranda@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 1:17 PM Eliot Miranda <eliot.miranda@gmail.commailto:eliot.miranda@gmail.com> wrote: Some background that may help in diagnosis...
This finds all assignments toi Transcript, either directly "Transcript := expr" or via Smalltalk at: #Transcript put: expr.
Add to ParseNode: anySatisfy: aBlock self nodesDo: [:n| (aBlock value: n) ifTrue: [^true]]. ^false
then
| tb sb | sb := Smalltalk bindingOf: #Smalltalk. tb := Smalltalk bindingOf: #Transcript. self sn browseAllSelect: [:m| ((m hasLiteral: tb) and: [m methodNode anySatisfy: [:n| n isAssignmentNode and: [n variable key == tb]]]) or: [(m hasLiteral: #Transcript) and: [m methodNode anySatisfy: [:n| n isMessageNode and: [n selector key == #at:put: and: [n receiver ifNil: [false] ifNotNil: [:r| r isVariableNode and: [r key == sb and: [n arguments first isLiteralNode and: [n arguments first key == #Transcript]]]]]]]]]]
Ugh. Did not mean to send yet. Anyway...
That shows that a project's transcript is installed in Project newState:, which assigns the project's transcript via TranscriptStream class>>#newTranscript:. That implies that all normal transcripts are unique to a project and have just one dependent (see TranscriptStream>>#open).
So the first thing to check is are all projects in your image holding onto unique transcripts. e.g. im my image
{Project allSubInstances size. (IdentitySet withAll: (Project allSubInstances collect: #transcript)) size} #(5 5)
HTH
On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 11:13 AM karl ramberg <karlramberg@gmail.commailto:karlramberg@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 2:44 PM Thiede, Christoph <Christoph.Thiede@student.hpi.uni-potsdam.demailto:Christoph.Thiede@student.hpi.uni-potsdam.de> wrote:
I could not reproduce the issue on Windows with a 22104 image and the 202206021410 VM. Could you inspect Project current transcript identityHash and the transcript window's model identity hash for both projects and compare the results?
I did this test in a fresh image.
Transcript works in the Home project. In the new project theTranscript got the title "Transcript #2" and does not respond.
The two Transcripts in Home project and the new project have different identityHash: 2484433 and 3994991
I opened another project in the same image and the fault was gone.
C:\Users\Karl\Downloads\TranscriptBug\Squeak6.1alpha-22300-64bit-202206021410-Windows-x64\Squeak.exe Open Smalltalk Cog[Spur] VM [CoInterpreterPrimitives VMMaker.oscog-dtl.3185] Win32 built on Jun 2 2022 15:29:44 Compiler: Clang 14.0.3 platform sources revision VM: 202206021410 runneradmin@fv-az455-257:/d/a/opensmalltalk-vm/opensmalltalk-vm Date: Thu Jun 2 16:10:44 2022 CommitHash: c9fd365 Plugins: 202206021410 runneradmin@fv-az455-257:/d/a/opensmalltalk-vm/opensmalltalk-vm CoInterpreter VMMaker.oscog-dtl.3185 uuid: 0e7f07b8-eed6-4362-b223-86c98594ddb9 Jun 2 2022 StackToRegisterMappingCogit VMMaker.oscog-mt.3179 uuid: c6fbcb07-2a19-ed4f-8b40-9c119a70882a Jun 2 2022
Best, Karl
Best,
Christoph
________________________________ Von: Squeak-dev <squeak-dev-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.orgmailto:squeak-dev-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org> im Auftrag von karl ramberg <karlramberg@gmail.commailto:karlramberg@gmail.com> Gesendet: Montag, 5. Dezember 2022 13:01:15 An: Bruce O'Neel Cc: The general-purpose Squeak developers list Betreff: Re: [squeak-dev] Transcript not working in Morphic projects ?
On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 10:18 AM Bruce O'Neel <bruce.oneel@pckswarms.chmailto:bruce.oneel@pckswarms.ch> wrote: Hi,
MacOS x86-64, Squeak 6.0 as shipped with image 22104 - fresh install with nothing else Squeak related on the system.
Start a new image Open Transcript Open Workspace In the workspace type: Transcript show: 'hello 1'. Shows in Transcript
Next Create a Morphic project Open it Open Transcript Open Workspace In the workspace type: Transcript show: 'hello 2'. Nothing shows.
Yes, I saw the same. Glad you could confirm my sanity :-D
Return to Previous Project
Create a MVC project Open it Open Transcript Open Workspace In the workspace type: Transcript show: 'hello 3' Shows in Transcript.
Now if I do the same thing in Squeak 6.1 22297, downloading just the images/changes/sources, again on MacOS X x86-64 then it works fine.
And now, very interestingly, if I return to the as downloaded MacOS X Squeak 6.0 22104 the problem has gone away.
So I am running the same VM in both cases, but clearly 2 different images. One in the Downloaded app directory and then one separately downloaded.
Now... If I remove all trace of Squeak from the system, re-install Squeak 6.0 22104 from the dmg, the problem comes back with Squeak 6.0 update 22104,
But downloading and running just the Squeak 6.1 images/changes .zip, unzipping it, running the above commands make the same set of commands run correctly in Squeak 6.0 22104.
I don't see anything changing in the Squeak app directory. A find looking for recently modified files under Library/Saved Application/Sate/org.squeak.squeak6.0-64bit.savedState and I can't see how this is changing things.
On Windows this works fine with Squeak 6.0 22104. Ditto x86-64 Linux
Karl - Are you running on MacOS?
No, all testing I did was on Windows 10 and 11. It's a very peculiar issue.
Best, Karl
cheers
bruce
On 2022-12-05T07:21:36.000+01:00, karl ramberg <karlramberg@gmail.commailto:karlramberg@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 12:33 AM tim Rowledge <tim@rowledge.orgmailto:tim@rowledge.org> wrote:
On 2022-12-04, at 1:51 PM, karl ramberg <karlramberg@gmail.commailto:karlramberg@gmail.com> wrote:
Hm, I got the same issue with a fresh downloaded Trunk image. No text is displayed in the Transcript
To reproduce: -Make a new Morphic Project -Enter project and open a Workspace and Transcript -See if the Transcript responds.
This is very odd; it works perfectly well in my 22114 update image (Pi 64bit as usual). Not sure the new project should default to having flap/tabs though.
Just in case I tried it in both possible orders - create transcript then workspace - create workspace and then transcript in case it was something to do with binding the morph to the name.
I'm mystified. I got his error several times. Now I can't reprodroduce it.
Best, Karl
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Thanks, Hopefully fixes the issue.
I'll report back if I find any issues
Best, Karl
On Mon, Jan 9, 2023 at 11:21 AM Taeumel, Marcel Marcel.Taeumel@hpi.de wrote:
Hi all --
Hopefully fixed via Morphic-mt.2057 (Trunk). Backported to 6.0.
Best, Marcel
Am 18.12.2022 20:25:11 schrieb Thiede, Christoph < christoph.thiede@student.hpi.uni-potsdam.de>:
My only idea would be to debug the invocation of the Transcript menu item and watch out for where the TranscriptStream instance is coming from. Sorry if this is not helpful ...
Best,
Christoph
*Von:* Squeak-dev squeak-dev-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org im Auftrag von karl ramberg karlramberg@gmail.com *Gesendet:* Sonntag, 11. Dezember 2022 13:25:40 *An:* The general-purpose Squeak developers list *Betreff:* Re: [squeak-dev] Transcript not working in Morphic projects ?
Another bit of information on this issue:
Transcript open (DoIt) in a Workspace creates a working Transcript.
But if I open Transcript from a menu, it will often create a non responsive Transcript
Best, Karl
On Tue, Dec 6, 2022 at 9:55 PM karl ramberg karlramberg@gmail.com wrote:
Hi, I get this result from testing.
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Best, Karl
On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 10:22 PM Eliot Miranda eliot.miranda@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 1:17 PM Eliot Miranda eliot.miranda@gmail.com wrote:
Some background that may help in diagnosis...
This finds all assignments toi Transcript, either directly "Transcript := expr" or via Smalltalk at: #Transcript put: expr.
Add to ParseNode: anySatisfy: aBlock self nodesDo: [:n| (aBlock value: n) ifTrue: [^true]]. ^false
then
| tb sb | sb := Smalltalk bindingOf: #Smalltalk. tb := Smalltalk bindingOf: #Transcript. self sn browseAllSelect: [:m| ((m hasLiteral: tb) and: [m methodNode anySatisfy: [:n| n isAssignmentNode and: [n variable key == tb]]]) or: [(m hasLiteral: #Transcript) and: [m methodNode anySatisfy: [:n| n isMessageNode and: [n selector key == #at:put: and: [n receiver ifNil: [false] ifNotNil: [:r| r isVariableNode and: [r key == sb and: [n arguments first isLiteralNode and: [n arguments first key == #Transcript]]]]]]]]]]
Ugh. Did not mean to send yet. Anyway...
That shows that a project's transcript is installed in Project newState:, which assigns the project's transcript via TranscriptStream class>>#newTranscript:. That implies that all normal transcripts are unique to a project and have just one dependent (see TranscriptStream>>#open).
So the first thing to check is are all projects in your image holding onto unique transcripts. e.g. im my image
{Project allSubInstances size. (IdentitySet withAll: (Project allSubInstances collect: #transcript)) size} #(5 5)
HTH
On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 11:13 AM karl ramberg karlramberg@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 2:44 PM Thiede, Christoph < Christoph.Thiede@student.hpi.uni-potsdam.de> wrote:
I could not reproduce the issue on Windows with a 22104 image and the 202206021410 VM. Could you inspect Project current transcript identityHash and the transcript window's model identity hash for both projects and compare the results?
I did this test in a fresh image.
Transcript works in the Home project. In the new project theTranscript got the title "Transcript #2" and does not respond.
The two Transcripts in Home project and the new project have different identityHash: 2484433 and 3994991
I opened another project in the same image and the fault was gone.
C:\Users\Karl\Downloads\TranscriptBug\Squeak6.1alpha-22300-64bit-202206021410-Windows-x64\Squeak.exe Open Smalltalk Cog[Spur] VM [CoInterpreterPrimitives VMMaker.oscog-dtl.3185] Win32 built on Jun 2 2022 15:29:44 Compiler: Clang 14.0.3 platform sources revision VM: 202206021410 runneradmin@fv-az455-257:/d/a/opensmalltalk-vm/opensmalltalk-vm Date: Thu Jun 2 16:10:44 2022 CommitHash: c9fd365 Plugins: 202206021410 runneradmin@fv-az455-257:/d/a/opensmalltalk-vm/opensmalltalk-vm CoInterpreter VMMaker.oscog-dtl.3185 uuid: 0e7f07b8-eed6-4362-b223-86c98594ddb9 Jun 2 2022 StackToRegisterMappingCogit VMMaker.oscog-mt.3179 uuid: c6fbcb07-2a19-ed4f-8b40-9c119a70882a Jun 2 2022
Best, Karl
Best,
Christoph
*Von:* Squeak-dev squeak-dev-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org im Auftrag von karl ramberg karlramberg@gmail.com *Gesendet:* Montag, 5. Dezember 2022 13:01:15 *An:* Bruce O'Neel *Cc:* The general-purpose Squeak developers list *Betreff:* Re: [squeak-dev] Transcript not working in Morphic projects ?
On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 10:18 AM Bruce O'Neel < bruce.oneel@pckswarms.ch> wrote:
> Hi, > > MacOS x86-64, Squeak 6.0 as shipped with image 22104 - fresh install > with nothing else Squeak related on the system. > > Start a new image > Open Transcript > Open Workspace > In the workspace type: Transcript show: 'hello 1'. > Shows in Transcript > > Next Create a Morphic project > Open it > Open Transcript > Open Workspace > In the workspace type: Transcript show: 'hello 2'. > Nothing shows. >
Yes, I saw the same. Glad you could confirm my sanity :-D
> > Return to Previous Project > > Create a MVC project > Open it > Open Transcript > Open Workspace > In the workspace type: Transcript show: 'hello 3' > Shows in Transcript. > > Now if I do the same thing in Squeak 6.1 22297, downloading just the > images/changes/sources, again on MacOS X x86-64 then it works fine. > > And now, very interestingly, if I return to the as downloaded MacOS > X Squeak 6.0 22104 the problem has gone away. >
> > So I am running the same VM in both cases, but clearly 2 different > images. One in the Downloaded app directory and then one separately > downloaded. > > Now... If I remove all trace of Squeak from the system, re-install > Squeak 6.0 22104 from the dmg, the problem comes back with Squeak 6.0 > update 22104, > > But downloading and running just the Squeak 6.1 images/changes .zip, > unzipping it, running the above commands make the same set of commands run > correctly in Squeak 6.0 22104. > > I don't see anything changing in the Squeak app directory. A find > looking for recently modified files under Library/Saved > Application/Sate/org.squeak.squeak6.0-64bit.savedState and I can't see how > this is changing things. > > On Windows this works fine with Squeak 6.0 22104. Ditto x86-64 Linux > > Karl - Are you running on MacOS? >
No, all testing I did was on Windows 10 and 11. It's a very peculiar issue.
Best, Karl
> > cheers > > bruce > > > > On 2022-12-05T07:21:36.000+01:00, karl ramberg < > karlramberg@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 12:33 AM tim Rowledge tim@rowledge.org > wrote: > > > > > On 2022-12-04, at 1:51 PM, karl ramberg karlramberg@gmail.com > wrote: > > > > Hm, > > I got the same issue with a fresh downloaded Trunk image. > > No text is displayed in the Transcript > > > > To reproduce: > > -Make a new Morphic Project > > -Enter project and open a Workspace and Transcript > > -See if the Transcript responds. > > > This is very odd; it works perfectly well in my 22114 update image > (Pi 64bit as usual). Not sure the new project should default to having > flap/tabs though. > > Just in case I tried it in both possible orders > - create transcript then workspace > - create workspace and then transcript > in case it was something to do with binding the morph to the name. > > > I'm mystified. > I got his error several times. > Now I can't reprodroduce it. > > Best, > Karl > > ------------------------------ > > >
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