Quoth Duane:
I hope that people won't take the following comments too personally.
Actually I thought they were hilarious.
Consider that perhaps some of those "modern" GUI concepts are 20 years old and that it just _may_ be possible that one can build better, different GUIs, and that something like Morphic can be coaxed into providing some of the elements in that direction.
So I should build my GUI around Morphic's piano-keyboard morph or a rotating smily face I can draw with the paint tool? Nice demos and educational stuff, but Morphic is hardly useful for any real work.
And let's look at MVC for a moment. It has two (count em, 2) widgets:
Rectangles, and Text.
Some of the rectangles do things [scrollbars] but they are still just rectangles. Heck, even my Commodore 64 had a better GUI in 1985. If you're proud of Squeak's usefulness for "serious development", I'd just like to know what sort of serious development you mean.
:-P
Consider also that there are several serious, professional developers doing world-class work using Squeak, just not very openly, and not precisely in the way you'd expect.
What do you consider World Class professional work? I can see using Squeak for teaching smalltalk, and for research, and Alice sure is neato, but what serious [paid?] professionals are you talking about?
Are there *ANY* commercially useful applications written in Squeak?
Are there *ANY* applications written in Squeak that are used by non-programmers?
Take 95% of the software in use today, and ask yourself if you could do that in Squeak, and if so, why are none of the "parts" those applications require built into Squeak? Squeak is not a consummate developers tool, it's an interestingly portable research platform, with less seriously useful features than Smalltalk/V had in the early 1990s.
business computing vision of 1985
And Squeak looks like a direct descendant of the ST-80. So maybe Squeak needs about 20 years of updating, do you think?
Warren
At 10:29 25.02.00 -0500, Warren Postma wrote:
I hope that people won't take the following comments too personally.
Actually I thought they were hilarious.
And yours were cynic :-)
And let's look at MVC for a moment. It has two (count em, 2) widgets:
Rectangles, and Text.
No, no, four: list box, text, button and popup menu.
bye -- Stefan Matthias Aust // Bevor wir fallen, fallen wir lieber auf.
Warren Postma wrote:
Are there *ANY* commercially useful applications written in Squeak?
Are there *ANY* applications written in Squeak that are used by non-programmers?
I insist: Internet Applications is a huge field where to use Squeak for Business Apps. As an example, I believe that swiki.net is completely written in Squeak, can somebody confirm this?
Confirmative Bye! Richie++
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