Hi all, I am expecting a visit from a Mac user and try to prepare for the installation of Squeak on his machine. The task proves too hard for my limited brain.
I go to http://www.squeak.org/Download/
First I try to download latest release for Mac. I get a Zip file with two directories: __MACOSX and Squeak3.10.2-7179-basic
A subdirectory of the first is a different Squeak3.10.2-7179-basic. I find the other subdirectories utterly confusing.
Is this supposed to be the simplest entry into Squeak for a Mac user? Surely a README file would be useful here.
The Download page also has links into the individual files. I now have to choose between MacOSX (Universal) and MacOS 7.5.5 to 9.2. A Mac user would know what to choose here. I hope the choice isn't the latter, because MacOS 7.5.5 to 9.2 is a dead link. MacOSX (Universal) lead to the above mentioned two subdirectories, but with different contents?
May be all this is perfectly clear to a Mac user. I'll find out when my friend gets here.
Cheers --Trygve
"Trygve" == Trygve Reenskaug trygver@ifi.uio.no writes:
Trygve> I am expecting a visit from a Mac user and try to prepare for the installation Trygve> of Squeak on his machine. The task proves too hard for my limited brain.
Trygve> I go to http://www.squeak.org/Download/
Trygve> First I try to download latest release for Mac. I get a Zip file with two Trygve> directories: Trygve> __MACOSX Trygve> and Trygve> Squeak3.10.2-7179-basic
You downloaded the link in the light green box in the right column, labelled "mac"?
Trying that now.
I get a folder named ~/Downloads/Squeak3.10.2-7179-basic
and inside that, I see the vm, .image, .changes, and .sources file.
Maybe you have a bizarre unzipper.
On 11/01/2009, at 11:27, Trygve Reenskaug wrote:
Hi all, I am expecting a visit from a Mac user and try to prepare for the installation of Squeak on his machine. The task proves too hard for my limited brain.
I go to http://www.squeak.org/Download/
First I try to download latest release for Mac. I get a Zip file with two directories: __MACOSX and Squeak3.10.2-7179-basic
A subdirectory of the first is a different Squeak3.10.2-7179-basic. I find the other subdirectories utterly confusing.
Is this supposed to be the simplest entry into Squeak for a Mac user? Surely a README file would be useful here.
The Download page also has links into the individual files. I now have to choose between MacOSX (Universal) and MacOS 7.5.5 to 9.2. A Mac user would know what to choose here. I hope the choice isn't the latter, because MacOS 7.5.5 to 9.2 is a dead link. MacOSX (Universal) lead to the above mentioned two subdirectories, but with different contents?
May be all this is perfectly clear to a Mac user. I'll find out when my friend gets here.
Cheers --Trygve
-- Trygve Reenskaug mailto: trygver@ifi.uio.no Morgedalsvn. 5A http://heim.ifi.uio.no/~trygver N-0378 Oslo Tel: (+47) 22 49 57 27 Norway
That is because you are expanding the .zip in Windows, the __MACOSX directory is an invisible directory created by the Mac OS for extra files used by the Finder.
The other directory is an .app, that is the VM is a "bundle", the trick is in the mac the finder shows the bundle as one file not as a directory.
So expand the .zip in a mac, don't bother with windows.
On 11-Jan-09, at 9:19 AM, Javier Diaz-Reinoso wrote:
The Download page also has links into the individual files. I now have to choose between MacOSX (Universal) and MacOS 7.5.5 to 9.2. A Mac user would know what to choose here. I hope the choice isn't the latter, because MacOS 7.5.5 to 9.2 is a dead link. MacOSX (Universal) lead to the above mentioned two subdirectories, but with different contents?
I note
http://www.squeak.org/Download/
the link MacOS 7.5.5 to 9.2 is in fact broken looks like some remove the file
http://ftp.squeak.org/current_stable/mac/Squeak%203.8.9beta7.app.sit
If someone can copy the sit file from
http://homepage.mac.com/johnmci/FileSharing.html
that would be helpful.
Also I note the Squeak 3.8.20beta1U.app.zip is the most current VM and I think can be distributed now, you can find a copy at
ftp://ftp.smalltalkconsulting.com/Squeak%203.8.20beta1U.app.zip
I note in one place (the green downloads pane) we point to the 3.10 directory http://ftp.squeak.org/3.10/mac/Squeak3.10.2-7179mac.zip which btw contains a Squeak 3.8.18beta3U.app.zip but the MacoSX (Universal) we point to http://ftp.squeak.org/3.9/mac/Squeak%203.8.18beta1U.app.zip
I would think the MacoSX (Universal) should point to the 3.10 directory? Also pointing and using the 3.8.20beta1U VM would be helpful
-- = = = ======================================================================== John M. McIntosh johnmci@smalltalkconsulting.com Corporate Smalltalk Consulting Ltd. http://www.smalltalkconsulting.com = = = ========================================================================
Le 11/01/09, John M McIntosh johnmci@smalltalkconsulting.com écrivait :
ftp://ftp.smalltalkconsulting.com/Squeak%203.8.20beta1U.app.zip
Hi John,
dont know what happens but when trying to download this file I got these messages
" 220 smalltalkconsulting.com NcFTPd Server (licensed copy) ready. USER anonymous 331 Guest login ok, send your complete e-mail address as password. PASS ******** 230-You are user #2 of 8 simultaneous users allowed. 230- 230 Logged in anonymously. NOOP 200 No-op okay. Your session will timeout in 44 minutes and 59 seconds. TYPE I 200 Type okay. SIZE /Squeak 3.8.20beta1U.app.zip 213 3070396 ---- "
Is this having to do with the Unix permission of the file ?
I can download any other files except this one...
Thanks and happy new year
Ray
Same here.
But since He solve it, you can download from his iDisk.
File Sharing - Graphite
Cheers.
El 11/01/2009, a las 19:52, Raymond Asselin escribió:
Le 11/01/09, John M McIntosh johnmci@smalltalkconsulting.com écrivait :
ftp://ftp.smalltalkconsulting.com/Squeak%203.8.20beta1U.app.zip
Hi John,
dont know what happens but when trying to download this file I got these messages
" 220 smalltalkconsulting.com NcFTPd Server (licensed copy) ready. USER anonymous 331 Guest login ok, send your complete e-mail address as password. PASS ******** 230-You are user #2 of 8 simultaneous users allowed. 230- 230 Logged in anonymously. NOOP 200 No-op okay. Your session will timeout in 44 minutes and 59 seconds. TYPE I 200 Type okay. SIZE /Squeak 3.8.20beta1U.app.zip 213 3070396
"
Is this having to do with the Unix permission of the file ?
I can download any other files except this one...
Thanks and happy new year
Ray
Yes, a permissions problem, I've chmod the file so it should be downloadable now
On 11-Jan-09, at 10:52 AM, Raymond Asselin wrote:
Le 11/01/09, John M McIntosh johnmci@smalltalkconsulting.com écrivait :
ftp://ftp.smalltalkconsulting.com/Squeak%203.8.20beta1U.app.zip
Hi John,
dont know what happens but when trying to download this file I got these messages
-- = = = ======================================================================== John M. McIntosh johnmci@smalltalkconsulting.com Corporate Smalltalk Consulting Ltd. http://www.smalltalkconsulting.com = = = ========================================================================
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