OK, I want to use Squeak on my website and I have some questions:
1. Can I serve a squeaklet from Apache like I would a Java applet? Or do I have to use KomHttpServer? I would like to be able to integrate the applets I write into my regular web-pages but I don't want to switch from Apache.
2. Are there examples of multi-user squeaklet apps? I'm looking at building: A MUD-ish thing, a site-specific IM, maybe a poker game. Any tips on where to start?
Am 14.11.2004 um 13:20 schrieb Blake:
OK, I want to use Squeak on my website and I have some questions:
- Can I serve a squeaklet from Apache like I would a Java applet? Or
do I have to use KomHttpServer? I would like to be able to integrate the applets I write into my regular web-pages but I don't want to switch from Apache
Apache is fine. Squeaklets are all client-side. For example, Squeakland.org runs Apache.
- Are there examples of multi-user squeaklet apps? I'm looking at
building: A MUD-ish thing, a site-specific IM, maybe a poker game. Any tips on where to start?
I'm not aware of any freely available example (*). But it's basically the same like you would do with Java applets. The server can embed a few parameters in the HTML tag which Squeak can read. Then the squeaklet would open a connection to the game server and you're ready to go.
- Bert -
(*) We used Squeak to build a multiplayer action game running in the browser. But since we sold that to a local cable company, it's not public (you would have to relocate here and subscribe to their service).
On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 15:10:05 +0100, Bert Freudenberg bert@impara.de wrote:
Am 14.11.2004 um 13:20 schrieb Blake:
OK, I want to use Squeak on my website and I have some questions:
- Can I serve a squeaklet from Apache like I would a Java applet? Or
do I have to use KomHttpServer? I would like to be able to integrate the applets I write into my regular web-pages but I don't want to switch from Apache
Apache is fine. Squeaklets are all client-side. For example, Squeakland.org runs Apache.
OK. The stuff on squeakland takes the whole page, though, at least everything I've seen. It's possible to embed the Squeak plug-in onto, say, an existing web page?
- Are there examples of multi-user squeaklet apps? I'm looking at
building: A MUD-ish thing, a site-specific IM, maybe a poker game. Any tips on where to start?
I'm not aware of any freely available example (*). But it's basically the same like you would do with Java applets. The server can embed a few parameters in the HTML tag which Squeak can read. Then the squeaklet would open a connection to the game server and you're ready to go.
OK, so how about a pointer to classes? I see something called "Ma client server". Which is apparently a requirement for Magma, although Magma requires an older version of Ma...<sigh>
(*) We used Squeak to build a multiplayer action game running in the browser. But since we sold that to a local cable company, it's not public (you would have to relocate here and subscribe to their service).
Where do you live? Germany? I like Germany.
But--Well, I guess the real question is, is there a difference between building a squeaklet and building a regular Squeak app? I mean, if my task is about user-interaction and client-server, then maybe the only thing I have to worry about is connecting to the server?
Am 15.11.2004 um 09:41 schrieb Blake:
On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 15:10:05 +0100, Bert Freudenberg bert@impara.de wrote:
Am 14.11.2004 um 13:20 schrieb Blake:
OK, I want to use Squeak on my website and I have some questions:
- Can I serve a squeaklet from Apache like I would a Java applet?
Or do I have to use KomHttpServer? I would like to be able to integrate the applets I write into my regular web-pages but I don't want to switch from Apache
Apache is fine. Squeaklets are all client-side. For example, Squeakland.org runs Apache.
OK. The stuff on squeakland takes the whole page, though, at least everything I've seen.
That's only because the HTML tag specifies width and height as 1024x768.
It's possible to embed the Squeak plug-in onto, say, an existing web page?
Yes, of course. Just specify a smaller extent.
- Are there examples of multi-user squeaklet apps? I'm looking at
building: A MUD-ish thing, a site-specific IM, maybe a poker game. Any tips on where to start?
I'm not aware of any freely available example (*). But it's basically the same like you would do with Java applets. The server can embed a few parameters in the HTML tag which Squeak can read. Then the squeaklet would open a connection to the game server and you're ready to go.
OK, so how about a pointer to classes? I see something called "Ma client server". Which is apparently a requirement for Magma, although Magma requires an older version of Ma...<sigh>
We're using a plain Socket connection ... underneath our proxy-based distributed object system (similar to meta sends in Jasmine).
(*) We used Squeak to build a multiplayer action game running in the browser. But since we sold that to a local cable company, it's not public (you would have to relocate here and subscribe to their service).
Where do you live? Germany? I like Germany.
:-)
But--Well, I guess the real question is, is there a difference between building a squeaklet and building a regular Squeak app? I mean, if my task is about user-interaction and client-server, then maybe the only thing I have to worry about is connecting to the server?
Yes, that's about it.
The only other issue might be packaging your app+contents. The file you are giving as SRC is simply filed in, unless it ends in .pr in which case it is loaded as project (which might be sufficient for smaller stuff). Fortunately, the file-in format is quite flexible, you can put anything in there. I'd probably try to build a SAR (http://minnow.cc.gatech.edu/squeak/2938) and prepend a bit of code to load it via #scanFrom: (look at #fileInAnnouncing: to see what I mean).
To not have to load the whole app each time we actually installed a new image with our game preinstalled in addition to the default Squeakland image. The HTML page can have an "IMAGE" parameter that the plugin uses to determine which image to run.
- Bert -
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