Might interest a few of you:- http://windows.oreilly.com/news/hejlsberg_0800.html
tim
Hmmmm, very interressstingg....
Could it be a coincidence that the guy who made the Smalltalk/V VM, George Bosworth, is a bigwig in .NET development at microsoft. I wouldn't be surprised to see more and better runtime support for Smalltalk-like languages in future releases of .NET.
I'm watching and waiting.
From: Tim Rowledge tim@sumeru.stanford.edu Reply-To: squeak-dev@lists.squeakfoundation.org Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 10:25:31 -0700 To: squeak-dev@lists.squeakfoundation.org Subject: [OT] Interview about C#
Might interest a few of you:- http://windows.oreilly.com/news/hejlsberg_0800.html
tim
Tim Rowledge, tim@sumeru.stanford.edu, http://sumeru.stanford.edu/tim Useful random insult:- Suffers from Clue Deficit Disorder.
Hi Sarkela, No offence but, since when has Micros*ft ever given support for any other software developer. Unless, like Dr Faust they have sold their soul to it. This is just another "Java" like stunt on Micros*fts behalf to screw Smalltalk like they tried to screw Sun Microsystems. As for the poor like us. Eat bl**dy cake!. The Guy is a Social Felon pretending to be on the side of the people.
You might do us a favour and scrutinize the Interview and tell us why C# and .NET can't work (for us). Oh! it will make billions in profit. It doesn't have to work to do that.
My "service" provider is Bigpond.net.com.au . When I tried to use anything other than Micros*ft they refused point blank to help me. What chance have quality providers got when monopolies get together? What court do we take them to get justice (as if there is any)? Now that is terrorism! Ciao Justin
----- Original Message ----- From: "Sarkela" sarkela@home.com To: squeak-dev@lists.squeakfoundation.org Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 1:24 PM Subject: Re: [OT] Interview about C#
Hmmmm, very interressstingg....
Could it be a coincidence that the guy who made the Smalltalk/V VM, George Bosworth, is a bigwig in .NET development at microsoft. I wouldn't be surprised to see more and better runtime support for Smalltalk-like languages in future releases of .NET.
I'm watching and waiting.
From: Tim Rowledge tim@sumeru.stanford.edu Reply-To: squeak-dev@lists.squeakfoundation.org Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 10:25:31 -0700 To: squeak-dev@lists.squeakfoundation.org Subject: [OT] Interview about C#
Might interest a few of you:- http://windows.oreilly.com/news/hejlsberg_0800.html
tim
Tim Rowledge, tim@sumeru.stanford.edu, http://sumeru.stanford.edu/tim Useful random insult:- Suffers from Clue Deficit Disorder.
On Wed, 31 Oct 2001, Justin Walsh wrote:
Hi Sarkela, No offence but, [...]
Justin,
that was pretty rude. You're on this list for a very short time, you don't know who John Sarkela is, so why do you attack him in such a way?
I don't think this list is the place for such unfounded rants (which have even less to do with Squeak or Smalltalk than the philosophical quarreling flooding in here lately).
-- Bert
PS: No, I'm no MS advocate, I think they're evil, too. But it's way better to do something about it: I for my part try to help Squeak run on a Free OS. There's a lot to do, still - you just might want to join us.
Yes I agree It is in my opinon, better to get on with the development of a new Free Operating System but, Isn't that what Smalltalkers are trying to do? How often have I heard Allen Kay say that Smalltalk even runs without an OS. All current OS's are just expensive bootstrap programs for Smalltalk. Look how creative Jon Hyland is with Smalltalk http://huv.com/ . Tektronix did it years ago and I guess so did App*le who, won't let on. It was left to the penitent Steve J*bs to do that with neXt. The problem is (as someone wrote) Smalltalk keeps getting shafted by narrow minded opportunism: .com-ism, .exe-ism, .dll-ism ad infinitum. Was not Unix also shafted by Micros*ft in the early days when they had the chance to develop SCO unix. No, crass "opportunity", in the form an I*M executive, dragging the PC out of his tool shed and "selling" it to his own company was as "creative" as the great I*M could get. Where was the design? And then, there is Micros*ft rushing out the back door to procure C/PM to put on the wretched PC. This attitude has got us to where we are today: NOWHERE!: chasing Micros*ft for more dubious "opportunities". She/He, better "it" will give us NOTHING. The freedom loving US people know that too well. They show their anger in the courts. The solution to this problem is not to be found in "technology" alone Smalltalk is but one of the many proofs that, you have good technology coming out of your ears. We need to look at the problem in the BIG. To do that one must LOOK at POLICY and PHILOSOPHY. Not get confused by it, or lost in it. That is why I'm here at squeak-dev and not responding to some goose of a Politician or a Philosopher. Good luck with your Free OS though. I'll stay here "annoying" the squeakers a bit longer -just kidding! Caio The aging Justin
----- Original Message ----- From: "Bert Freudenberg" bert@isg.cs.uni-magdeburg.de To: squeak-dev@lists.squeakfoundation.org Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2001 12:56 AM Subject: Re: [OT] Interview about C#
On Wed, 31 Oct 2001, Justin Walsh wrote:
Hi Sarkela, No offence but, [...]
Justin,
that was pretty rude. You're on this list for a very short time, you don't know who John Sarkela is, so why do you attack him in such a way?
I don't think this list is the place for such unfounded rants (which have even less to do with Squeak or Smalltalk than the philosophical quarreling flooding in here lately).
-- Bert
PS: No, I'm no MS advocate, I think they're evil, too. But it's way better to do something about it: I for my part try to help Squeak run on a Free OS. There's a lot to do, still - you just might want to join us.
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