On 10/26/13, Bob Arning arning315@comcast.net wrote:
http://69.251.218.6:9116/ can give you a pretty good picture of the evolution in this area.
Cheers, Bob
Bob
does it contain _all_ the change sets from 1998 - 2008? It seems that in 2008 the update mechanism was changed to Monticello files, right?
Did you think it would be possible of running an from 0001 to 7179, so to say "replaying the evolution"?
It would be nice to have a graphical display of which areas have been touched and which ones not. Possibly in the form of a movie.... (e.g. a rectangle representing a class category sized according to code size with colors indicating changes, animated gif?)
--Hannes
0001tk_test.doit "Just a test if the update broadcasting is working" Transcript show: ' You got an external update'; cr.
0002tk_collapse_RF.cs 'From Squeak 1.31 of Feb 4, 1998 on 8 May 1998 at 4:31:32 pm'
.........
7179AdvanceTo3dot10dot2.cs
From Squeak3.10.2beta of 5 June 2008 [latest update: #7175] on 5 June
2008 at 2:53:19 pm'
Well, it contains all that I have found. There are some gaps in the numbering, so I don't know if I missed some or that gap appeared in the original stream. And, yes, there was a switch to change sets simply loading some Monticello file(s), although there was not a crisp changeover.
I'll give some thought to a graphical version.
Cheers, Bob
On 10/26/13 8:42 AM, H. Hirzel wrote:
On 10/26/13, Bob Arning arning315@comcast.net wrote:
http://69.251.218.6:9116/ can give you a pretty good picture of the evolution in this area.
Cheers, Bob
Bob
does it contain _all_ the change sets from 1998 - 2008? It seems that in 2008 the update mechanism was changed to Monticello files, right?
Did you think it would be possible of running an from 0001 to 7179, so to say "replaying the evolution"?
It would be nice to have a graphical display of which areas have been touched and which ones not. Possibly in the form of a movie.... (e.g. a rectangle representing a class category sized according to code size with colors indicating changes, animated gif?)
--Hannes
0001tk_test.doit "Just a test if the update broadcasting is working" Transcript show: ' You got an external update'; cr.
0002tk_collapse_RF.cs 'From Squeak 1.31 of Feb 4, 1998 on 8 May 1998 at 4:31:32 pm'
.........
7179AdvanceTo3dot10dot2.cs
From Squeak3.10.2beta of 5 June 2008 [latest update: #7175] on 5 June
2008 at 2:53:19 pm'
This is a great resource, Bob! Thanks!
I'm wondering how well your infrastructure would work for older change sets, say of the KSC, ParcPlace ST-80 era?
Thar's gold in dem der files!
Regards, Sam
Sam S. Adams, CTO - Contextual Computing IBM Distinguished Engineer, IBM Research Mobile: 919-696-6064, email: ssadams@us.ibm.com Assistant: Linda R. Morrison. (720) 395-0460 Fax: (845) 491-4318, Tie: 676-0460, linda.r.morrison@us.ibm.com <<Hebrews 11:6, Proverbs 3:5-6, Romans 1:16-17, 1 Corinthians 1:10>>
From: Bob Arning arning315@comcast.net To: squeak-dev@lists.squeakfoundation.org Date: 10/26/2013 09:54 AM Subject: Re: [squeak-dev] Squeak evolution 1998 - 2008 Sent by: squeak-dev-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org
Well, it contains all that I have found. There are some gaps in the numbering, so I don't know if I missed some or that gap appeared in the original stream. And, yes, there was a switch to change sets simply loading some Monticello file(s), although there was not a crisp changeover.
I'll give some thought to a graphical version.
Cheers, Bob
On 10/26/13 8:42 AM, H. Hirzel wrote: On 10/26/13, Bob Arning arning315@comcast.net wrote:
http://69.251.218.6:9116/ can give you a pretty good picture of the evolution in this area.
Cheers, Bob
Bob
does it contain _all_ the change sets from 1998 - 2008? It seems that in 2008 the update mechanism was changed to Monticello files, right?
Did you think it would be possible of running an from 0001 to 7179, so to say "replaying the evolution"?
It would be nice to have a graphical display of which areas have been touched and which ones not. Possibly in the form of a movie.... (e.g. a rectangle representing a class category sized according to code size with colors indicating changes, animated gif?)
--Hannes
0001tk_test.doit "Just a test if the update broadcasting is working" Transcript show: ' You got an external update'; cr.
0002tk_collapse_RF.cs 'From Squeak 1.31 of Feb 4, 1998 on 8 May 1998 at 4:31:32 pm'
.........
7179AdvanceTo3dot10dot2.cs >From Squeak3.10.2beta of 5 June 2008 [latest update: #7175] on 5 June 2008 at 2:53:19 pm'
It would probably work with perhaps a bit of tweaking. The default url points to the change set browser, which simply requires files in chunk format. No concern here about semantics - just search for file(s) containing a string and show them.
The /diffs url might need a bit more work as it tries to understand the meaning of each chunk.
Cheers, Bob
On 10/26/13 10:05 AM, Sam Adams wrote:
This is a great resource, Bob! Thanks!
I'm wondering how well your infrastructure would work for older change sets, say of the KSC, ParcPlace ST-80 era?
Thar's gold in dem der files!
Regards, Sam
Sam S. Adams, CTO - Contextual Computing https://w3-connections.ibm.com/communities/service/html/communityview?communityUuid=29937c79-74c1-439c-b096-4988a115daaf IBM Distinguished Engineer, IBM Research Mobile: 919-696-6064, email: ssadams@us.ibm.com Assistant: Linda R. Morrison. (720) 395-0460 Fax: (845) 491-4318, Tie: 676-0460, linda.r.morrison@us.ibm.com <<Hebrews 11:6, Proverbs 3:5-6, Romans 1:16-17, 1 Corinthians 1:10>>
Inactive hide details for Bob Arning ---10/26/2013 09:54:23 AM---Well, it contains all that I have found. There are some gaps iBob Arning ---10/26/2013 09:54:23 AM---Well, it contains all that I have found. There are some gaps in the numbering, so I don't know if I
From: Bob Arning arning315@comcast.net To: squeak-dev@lists.squeakfoundation.org Date: 10/26/2013 09:54 AM Subject: Re: [squeak-dev] Squeak evolution 1998 - 2008 Sent by: squeak-dev-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org
Well, it contains all that I have found. There are some gaps in the numbering, so I don't know if I missed some or that gap appeared in the original stream. And, yes, there was a switch to change sets simply loading some Monticello file(s), although there was not a crisp changeover.
I'll give some thought to a graphical version.
Cheers, Bob
On 10/26/13 8:42 AM, H. Hirzel wrote:
On 10/26/13, Bob Arning _<arning315@comcast.net>_ <mailto:arning315@comcast.net> wrote: _http://69.251.218.6:9116/_ can give you a pretty good picture of the evolution in this area. Cheers, Bob Bob does it contain _all_ the change sets from 1998 - 2008? It seems that in 2008 the update mechanism was changed to Monticello files, right? Did you think it would be possible of running an from 0001 to 7179, so to say "replaying the evolution"? It would be nice to have a graphical display of which areas have been touched and which ones not. Possibly in the form of a movie.... (e.g. a rectangle representing a class category sized according to code size with colors indicating changes, animated gif?) --Hannes 0001tk_test.doit "Just a test if the update broadcasting is working" Transcript show: ' You got an external update'; cr. 0002tk_collapse_RF.cs 'From Squeak 1.31 of Feb 4, 1998 on 8 May 1998 at 4:31:32 pm' ......... 7179AdvanceTo3dot10dot2.cs >From Squeak3.10.2beta of 5 June 2008 [latest update: #7175] on 5 June 2008 at 2:53:19 pm'
OK, first iteration of the graphical view is at
each column represents 200 change sets. The numbers in each cell are number of chunks and number of bytes.
I'll clean this up a bit later.
Cheers, Bob
On 10/26/13 8:42 AM, H. Hirzel wrote:
On 10/26/13, Bob Arning arning315@comcast.net wrote:
http://69.251.218.6:9116/ can give you a pretty good picture of the evolution in this area.
Cheers, Bob
Bob
does it contain _all_ the change sets from 1998 - 2008? It seems that in 2008 the update mechanism was changed to Monticello files, right?
Did you think it would be possible of running an from 0001 to 7179, so to say "replaying the evolution"?
It would be nice to have a graphical display of which areas have been touched and which ones not. Possibly in the form of a movie.... (e.g. a rectangle representing a class category sized according to code size with colors indicating changes, animated gif?)
--Hannes
0001tk_test.doit "Just a test if the update broadcasting is working" Transcript show: ' You got an external update'; cr.
0002tk_collapse_RF.cs 'From Squeak 1.31 of Feb 4, 1998 on 8 May 1998 at 4:31:32 pm'
.........
7179AdvanceTo3dot10dot2.cs
From Squeak3.10.2beta of 5 June 2008 [latest update: #7175] on 5 June
2008 at 2:53:19 pm'
Interesting view, Bob.
Clearly visible is when the idea of testing started to get track, when Monticello and Etoys arrived.
Morphic seems to be there right from the start. Is that so?
--Hannes
On 10/26/13, Bob Arning arning315@comcast.net wrote:
OK, first iteration of the graphical view is at
each column represents 200 change sets. The numbers in each cell are number of chunks and number of bytes.
I'll clean this up a bit later.
Cheers, Bob
On 10/26/13 8:42 AM, H. Hirzel wrote:
On 10/26/13, Bob Arning arning315@comcast.net wrote:
http://69.251.218.6:9116/ can give you a pretty good picture of the evolution in this area.
Cheers, Bob
Bob
does it contain _all_ the change sets from 1998 - 2008? It seems that in 2008 the update mechanism was changed to Monticello files, right?
Did you think it would be possible of running an from 0001 to 7179, so to say "replaying the evolution"?
It would be nice to have a graphical display of which areas have been touched and which ones not. Possibly in the form of a movie.... (e.g. a rectangle representing a class category sized according to code size with colors indicating changes, animated gif?)
--Hannes
0001tk_test.doit "Just a test if the update broadcasting is working" Transcript show: ' You got an external update'; cr.
0002tk_collapse_RF.cs 'From Squeak 1.31 of Feb 4, 1998 on 8 May 1998 at 4:31:32 pm'
.........
7179AdvanceTo3dot10dot2.cs
From Squeak3.10.2beta of 5 June 2008 [latest update: #7175] on 5 June
2008 at 2:53:19 pm'
Morphic right from the start? As far as these change set go Morphic is there, but they represent additions to Squeak 1.31. Not sure about earlier versions. So the question is
Was there ever a version of Squeak without Morphic? Jecel, you know?
Cheers, Bob
On 10/26/13 3:04 PM, H. Hirzel wrote:
Interesting view, Bob.
Clearly visible is when the idea of testing started to get track, when Monticello and Etoys arrived.
Morphic seems to be there right from the start. Is that so?
--Hannes
On 10/26/13, Bob Arning arning315@comcast.net wrote:
OK, first iteration of the graphical view is at
each column represents 200 change sets. The numbers in each cell are number of chunks and number of bytes.
I'll clean this up a bit later.
Cheers, Bob
On 10/26/13 8:42 AM, H. Hirzel wrote:
On 10/26/13, Bob Arning arning315@comcast.net wrote:
http://69.251.218.6:9116/ can give you a pretty good picture of the evolution in this area.
Cheers, Bob
Bob
does it contain _all_ the change sets from 1998 - 2008? It seems that in 2008 the update mechanism was changed to Monticello files, right?
Did you think it would be possible of running an from 0001 to 7179, so to say "replaying the evolution"?
It would be nice to have a graphical display of which areas have been touched and which ones not. Possibly in the form of a movie.... (e.g. a rectangle representing a class category sized according to code size with colors indicating changes, animated gif?)
--Hannes
0001tk_test.doit "Just a test if the update broadcasting is working" Transcript show: ' You got an external update'; cr.
0002tk_collapse_RF.cs 'From Squeak 1.31 of Feb 4, 1998 on 8 May 1998 at 4:31:32 pm'
.........
7179AdvanceTo3dot10dot2.cs
From Squeak3.10.2beta of 5 June 2008 [latest update: #7175] on 5 June
2008 at 2:53:19 pm'
I found this:
http://web.archive.org/web/19980123210410/http://www.research.apple.com/rese...
2013/10/26 Bob Arning arning315@comcast.net
Morphic right from the start? As far as these change set go Morphic is there, but they represent additions to Squeak 1.31. Not sure about earlier versions. So the question is
Was there ever a version of Squeak without Morphic? Jecel, you know?
Cheers, Bob
On 10/26/13 3:04 PM, H. Hirzel wrote:
Interesting view, Bob.
Clearly visible is when the idea of testing started to get track, when Monticello and Etoys arrived.
Morphic seems to be there right from the start. Is that so?
--Hannes
On 10/26/13, Bob Arning arning315@comcast.net arning315@comcast.net wrote:
OK, first iteration of the graphical view is at http://69.251.218.6:9116/time
each column represents 200 change sets. The numbers in each cell are number of chunks and number of bytes.
I'll clean this up a bit later.
Cheers, Bob
On 10/26/13 8:42 AM, H. Hirzel wrote:
On 10/26/13, Bob Arning arning315@comcast.net arning315@comcast.net wrote:
http://69.251.218.6:9116/ can give you a pretty good picture of the evolution in this area.
Cheers, Bob
Bob
does it contain _all_ the change sets from 1998 - 2008? It seems that in 2008 the update mechanism was changed to Monticello files, right?
Did you think it would be possible of running an from 0001 to 7179, so to say "replaying the evolution"?
It would be nice to have a graphical display of which areas have been touched and which ones not. Possibly in the form of a movie.... (e.g. a rectangle representing a class category sized according to code size with colors indicating changes, animated gif?)
--Hannes
0001tk_test.doit "Just a test if the update broadcasting is working" Transcript show: ' You got an external update'; cr.
0002tk_collapse_RF.cs 'From Squeak 1.31 of Feb 4, 1998 on 8 May 1998 at 4:31:32 pm'
.........
7179AdvanceTo3dot10dot2.cs
From Squeak3.10.2beta of 5 June 2008 [latest update: #7175] on 5 June
2008 at 2:53:19 pm'
On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 12:46 PM, Nicolas Cellier < nicolas.cellier.aka.nice@gmail.com> wrote:
I found this:
http://web.archive.org/web/19980123210410/http://www.research.apple.com/rese...
"The image is somewhat larger (around 1.9Mb), since it includes both MVC and a fairly complete Morphic system with several running examples. However it is still right around a megabyte if you pare back the interpreter and Morphic, and you can get under 650k by executing Smalltalk>>majorShrink."
wow :-)
2013/10/26 Bob Arning arning315@comcast.net
Morphic right from the start? As far as these change set go Morphic is there, but they represent additions to Squeak 1.31. Not sure about earlier versions. So the question is
Was there ever a version of Squeak without Morphic? Jecel, you know?
Cheers, Bob
On 10/26/13 3:04 PM, H. Hirzel wrote:
Interesting view, Bob.
Clearly visible is when the idea of testing started to get track, when Monticello and Etoys arrived.
Morphic seems to be there right from the start. Is that so?
--Hannes
On 10/26/13, Bob Arning arning315@comcast.net arning315@comcast.net wrote:
OK, first iteration of the graphical view is at http://69.251.218.6:9116/time
each column represents 200 change sets. The numbers in each cell are number of chunks and number of bytes.
I'll clean this up a bit later.
Cheers, Bob
On 10/26/13 8:42 AM, H. Hirzel wrote:
On 10/26/13, Bob Arning arning315@comcast.net arning315@comcast.net wrote:
http://69.251.218.6:9116/ can give you a pretty good picture of the evolution in this area.
Cheers, Bob
Bob
does it contain _all_ the change sets from 1998 - 2008? It seems that in 2008 the update mechanism was changed to Monticello files, right?
Did you think it would be possible of running an from 0001 to 7179, so to say "replaying the evolution"?
It would be nice to have a graphical display of which areas have been touched and which ones not. Possibly in the form of a movie.... (e.g. a rectangle representing a class category sized according to code size with colors indicating changes, animated gif?)
--Hannes
0001tk_test.doit "Just a test if the update broadcasting is working" Transcript show: ' You got an external update'; cr.
0002tk_collapse_RF.cs 'From Squeak 1.31 of Feb 4, 1998 on 8 May 1998 at 4:31:32 pm'
.........
7179AdvanceTo3dot10dot2.cs
From Squeak3.10.2beta of 5 June 2008 [latest update: #7175] on 5 June
2008 at 2:53:19 pm'
Morphic appeared in Squeak 1.19. You can download Squeak 1.18 from ftp.squeak.org.[1] It was the last MVC only release of Squeak. It runs well in my Windows netbook, with an appropriate VM. I'm using Andreas' 1.31.1.4 VM from 1998.
Cheers,
Juan Vuletich
Quoting Bob Arning arning315@comcast.net:
Morphic right from the start? As far as these change set go Morphic is there, but they represent additions to Squeak 1.31. Not sure about earlier versions. So the question is
Was there ever a version of Squeak without Morphic? Jecel, you know?
Cheers, Bob
On 10/26/13 3:04 PM, H. Hirzel wrote:
Interesting view, Bob.Clearly visible is when the idea of testing started to get track, when Monticello and Etoys arrived.Morphic seems to be there right from the start. Is that so?--HannesOn 10/26/13, Bob Arning arning315@comcast.net wrote:
OK, first iteration of the graphical view is athttp://69.251.218.6:9116/timeeach column represents 200 change sets. The numbers in each cell are number of chunks and number of bytes.I'll clean this up a bit later.Cheers, BobOn 10/26/13 8:42 AM, H. Hirzel wrote:
On 10/26/13, Bob Arning arning315@comcast.net wrote:
http://69.251.218.6:9116/ can give you a pretty good picture of the evolution in this area.Cheers, Bob
Bobdoes it contain _all_ the change sets from 1998 - 2008? It seems that in 2008 the update mechanism was changed to Monticello files, right?Did you think it would be possible of running an from 0001 to 7179, so to say "replaying the evolution"?It would be nice to have a graphical display of which areas have been touched and which ones not. Possibly in the form of a movie.... (e.g. a rectangle representing a class category sized according to code size with colors indicating changes, animated gif?)--Hannes0001tk_test.doit "Just a test if the update broadcasting is working" Transcript show: ' You got an external update'; cr.0002tk_collapse_RF.cs 'From Squeak 1.31 of Feb 4, 1998 on 8 May 1998 at 4:31:32 pm'.........7179AdvanceTo3dot10dot2.cs >From Squeak3.10.2beta of 5 June 2008 [latest update: #7175] on 5 June 2008 at 2:53:19 pm'
Cheers, Juan Vuletich
Links: ------ [1] http://ftp.squeak.org
It would be nice to add this information in a ReadMe.txt file in http://ftp.squeak.org/1.18/
On 10/27/13, J. Vuletich (mail lists) juanlists@jvuletich.org wrote:
Morphic appeared in Squeak 1.19. You can download Squeak 1.18 from ftp.squeak.org.[1] It was the last MVC only release of Squeak. It runs well in my Windows netbook, with an appropriate VM. I'm using Andreas' 1.31.1.4 VM from 1998.
Cheers,
Juan Vuletich
Quoting Bob Arning arning315@comcast.net:
Morphic right from the start? As far as these change set go Morphic is there, but they represent additions to Squeak 1.31. Not sure about earlier versions. So the question is
Was there ever a version of Squeak without Morphic? Jecel, you know?
Cheers, Bob
On 10/26/13 3:04 PM, H. Hirzel wrote:
Interesting view, Bob.Clearly visible is when the idea of testing started to get track, when Monticello and Etoys arrived.Morphic seems to be there right from the start. Is that so?--HannesOn 10/26/13, Bob Arning arning315@comcast.net wrote:
OK, first iteration of the graphical view is athttp://69.251.218.6:9116/timeeach column represents 200 change sets. The numbers in each cell are number of chunks and number of bytes.I'll clean this up a bit later.Cheers, BobOn 10/26/13 8:42 AM, H. Hirzel wrote:
On 10/26/13, Bob Arning arning315@comcast.net wrote:
http://69.251.218.6:9116/ can give you a pretty good picture of the evolution in this area.Cheers, Bob
Bobdoes it contain _all_ the change sets from 1998 - 2008? It seems that in 2008 the update mechanism was changed to Monticello files, right?Did you think it would be possible of running an from 0001 to 7179, so to say "replaying the evolution"?It would be nice to have a graphical display of which areas have been touched and which ones not. Possibly in the form of a movie.... (e.g. a rectangle representing a class category sized according to code size with colors indicating changes, animated gif?)--Hannes0001tk_test.doit "Just a test if the update broadcasting is working" Transcript show: ' You got an external update'; cr.0002tk_collapse_RF.cs 'From Squeak 1.31 of Feb 4, 1998 on 8 May 1998 at 4:31:32 pm'.........7179AdvanceTo3dot10dot2.cs >From Squeak3.10.2beta of 5 June 2008 [latest update: #7175] on 5 June 2008 at 2:53:19 pm'
Cheers, Juan Vuletich
Links:
Bob Arning wrote:
Morphic right from the start? As far as these change set go Morphic is there, but they represent additions to Squeak 1.31. Not sure about earlier versions. So the question is
Was there ever a version of Squeak without Morphic? Jecel, you know?
Juan has already replied that Morphic was added to 1.19 (the versions I remember before that were 1.13, 1.16, 1.17 and 1.18). Note that even 1.31 started up in a MVC project and you had to open a new Morphic one to play around with that. This was inverted in 2.0, I think.
One issue is that 1998 is not "the start" at all. You might think that not much is missing when you lack under two years, but it is important to remember that the rate of development of the Squeak project was amazing in the beginning compared to what we are now used to. That is actually common for a low of projects. So one version doesn't have networking at all, and then next you have a web browser that tries to play Flash pages.
In terms of lines of code, on the other hand, the rate of development got faster as time went on rather than slower. This isn't so obvious if you do some statistics on the various images because there were several times when a lot of code was removed from the official images. So if you look at one image and it has 40% more classes/methods/lines of code than an older one but the older one can sing "Silent Night" and the new one can't, then the number is smaller than it should be.
Sam Adam asked about extending this back in time (I guess it would have to be through Apple Smalltalk-80 and then back through Xerox Smalltalks) and I mentioned a two year gap. It might be a neat idea to convert the earlier changes into the same format (a lot of the needed information can be found in the archives for this mailing list) and number them -1, -2, etc...
-- Jecel
Munging around with old mailing lists sounds like work. ;-)
What I have done is to take each of the old changes files, subtract the previous changes file and treat the result as if it were a single update. These files will be identified as '**v1' '*113' '*115' etc so that they will sort better.
This is now available on the /diffs page:
http://69.251.218.6:9116/diffs
I'll see about adding this data to the /browse and /time pages.
Cheers, Bob
sample:
rootForGrabOf:
*119 rootForGrabOf: aMorph "Like root, but can be overridden by a morph that wants to allow its submorphs to be extracted just by picking them up."
(owner = nil or: [owner isWorldOrHandMorph]) ifTrue: [? self]. owner allowSubmorphExtraction ifTrue: [? self] ifFalse: [? owner rootForGrabOf: aMorph].
*131 rootForGrabOf: aMorph "Like root, but can be overridden by a morph that wants to allow its submorphs to be extracted just by picking them up."
(owner = nil or: [owner isWorldOrHandMorph]) ifTrue: [? self]. owner allowSubmorphExtraction ifTrue: [? self] ifFalse: [? owner rootForGrabOf: aMorph]. "Be sticky if sticky property is set. Normally this would be recompiled in the unique subclass of each morph, so this is a backstop only, and for development." ? self isSticky ifTrue: [nil] ifFalse: [(owner = nil or: [owner isWorldOrHandMorph]) ifTrue: [self] ifFalse: [owner allowSubmorphExtraction ifTrue: [self] ifFalse: [owner rootForGrabOf: aMorph]]]
0149Flood-sw.cs rootForGrabOf: aMorph "Be sticky if sticky property is set. Normally this would be recompiled in the unique subclass of each morph, so this is a backstop only, and for development." ? self isSticky ? (self isSticky and: [self isPartsDonor not]) ifTrue: [nil] ifFalse: [(owner = nil or: [owner isWorldOrHandMorph]) ifTrue: [self] ifFalse: [owner allowSubmorphExtraction ifTrue: [self] ifFalse: [owner rootForGrabOf: aMorph]]]
2776TruthAndBeauty.cs rootForGrabOf: aMorph self flag: #arNote. "TODO: Remove the entire rootForGrabOf: logic" ? (self isSticky and: [self isPartsDonor not]) ifTrue: [nil] ifFalse: [(owner = nil or: [owner isWorldOrHandMorph]) ifTrue: [self] ifFalse: [owner allowSubmorphExtraction ifTrue: [self] ifFalse: [owner rootForGrabOf: aMorph]]]
2783DnD-Day.cs rootForGrabOf: aMorph self flag: #arNote. "TODO: Remove the entire rootForGrabOf: logic" ? (self isSticky and: [self isPartsDonor not]) ifTrue: [nil] ifFalse: [(owner = nil or: [owner isWorldOrHandMorph]) ifTrue: [self] ifFalse: [owner allowSubmorphExtraction ifTrue: [self] ifFalse: [owner rootForGrabOf: aMorph]]] ** explicitly removed **
On 10/27/13 2:53 PM, Jecel Assumpcao Jr. wrote:
Bob Arning wrote:
Morphic right from the start? As far as these change set go Morphic is there, but they represent additions to Squeak 1.31. Not sure about earlier versions. So the question is
Was there ever a version of Squeak without Morphic? Jecel, you know?
Juan has already replied that Morphic was added to 1.19 (the versions I remember before that were 1.13, 1.16, 1.17 and 1.18). Note that even 1.31 started up in a MVC project and you had to open a new Morphic one to play around with that. This was inverted in 2.0, I think.
One issue is that 1998 is not "the start" at all. You might think that not much is missing when you lack under two years, but it is important to remember that the rate of development of the Squeak project was amazing in the beginning compared to what we are now used to. That is actually common for a low of projects. So one version doesn't have networking at all, and then next you have a web browser that tries to play Flash pages.
In terms of lines of code, on the other hand, the rate of development got faster as time went on rather than slower. This isn't so obvious if you do some statistics on the various images because there were several times when a lot of code was removed from the official images. So if you look at one image and it has 40% more classes/methods/lines of code than an older one but the older one can sing "Silent Night" and the new one can't, then the number is smaller than it should be.
Sam Adam asked about extending this back in time (I guess it would have to be through Apple Smalltalk-80 and then back through Xerox Smalltalks) and I mentioned a two year gap. It might be a neat idea to convert the earlier changes into the same format (a lot of the needed information can be found in the archives for this mailing list) and number them -1, -2, etc...
-- Jecel
OK, the
has been updated with the pre-update stream stuff.
I'm having a little confusion here - I dont' seem to have where SameGame entered the image. Anybody know?
Cheers, Bob
http://69.251.218.6:9116/time2
has been added to sort categories in order of earliest modification
Cheers, Bob
On 10/27/13 6:01 PM, Bob Arning wrote:
OK, the
has been updated with the pre-update stream stuff.
I'm having a little confusion here - I dont' seem to have where SameGame entered the image. Anybody know?
Cheers, Bob
Mystery mostly resolved. It *is* in the 2.1 changes file, but not in any separate change set from that era. This is from back when it was more common to download a new version image rather than try to update through.
Cheers, Bob
On 10/27/13 6:01 PM, Bob Arning wrote:
I'm having a little confusion here - I dont' seem to have where SameGame entered the image. Anybody know?
On Oct 28, 2013, at 7:13 AM, Bob Arning arning315@comcast.net wrote:
Mystery mostly resolved. It *is* in the 2.1 changes file, but not in any separate change set from that era. This is from back when it was more common to download a new version image rather than try to update through.
Wow, a blast from the past! I originally wrote the Squeak version of SameGame to better learn some of the ins and outs of the then new Morphic environment which was released in Squeak 2.0. I supplied it as a change set downloadable from my personal home page, and Dan Ingalls included it in the 2.1 version, along with my JPEGReadWriter code.
Digging through the mailing list archives, it looks like I announced it to the mailing list on 23 May 1998.
— tim
Bob Arning wrote:
Munging around with old mailing lists sounds like work. ;-)
I should have mentioned that what we can get from the mailing list is the actual author for every piece of code. People would send stuff to the list and Dan Ingalls would copy/paste the most interesting code to his image, which would later become the official image. For the relicensing effort this was important information to have, but for casual browsing we don't really need it.
What I have done is to take each of the old changes files, subtract the previous changes file and treat the result as if it were a single update. These files will be identified as '**v1' '*113' '*115' etc so that they will sort better.
Great job! Congratulations on the results.
-- Jecel
squeak-dev@lists.squeakfoundation.org
-
Bob Arning -
Eliot Miranda -
H. Hirzel -
J. Vuletich (mail lists) -
Jecel Assumpcao Jr. -
Nicolas Cellier -
Sam Adams -
Tim Olson