I’m looking into using .sar files as a way of delivering Scratch device driver stuff for the Raspberry Pi. It’s been more than a few years since I last had to think about SARs (actually from my emails it looks like 2004 was the last time!) so a bit of trawling through the swiki was in order. I’ve updated a couple of pages relating to SARs to (hopefully) make them a touch more useful these days, and just tried loading the very old SARBuilder package from SqueakMap. Don’t forget that you have to hit the menu in the top-left list of the Squeakmap tool in order to turn off the filtering that makes it invisible since it isn’t thoroughly up to date.
It installs ok after using Preferences to allow underscores as assignment; so there is one update needed in the code. It even appears to run its example (SARChangeSetDumper class>>example1) ok. However, it clearly needs some updates to make it a better citizen; for example it completely overwrites the ChangeSorter>>changeSetMenu:shifted: method.
I don’t have any time to clean it up right now since I have a release to assemble for about 7 million Pi’s. It seems like it might be a relatively simple fixup to make an old tool usable once more.
tim -- tim Rowledge; tim@rowledge.org; http://www.rowledge.org/tim Strange OpCodes: RLB: Ruin Logic Board
Base support for SAR formats should definitely be supported. I don't know why we lost it, but I do exactly what you did - load the old code when I need it, for example to support UTCDateAndTime http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/6197 for which a SAR distribution is the only thing could possible work.
So yes, someone should pick up the important bits and put them back into trunk.
Dave
On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 05:59:01PM -0700, tim Rowledge wrote:
I?m looking into using .sar files as a way of delivering Scratch device driver stuff for the Raspberry Pi. It?s been more than a few years since I last had to think about SARs (actually from my emails it looks like 2004 was the last time!) so a bit of trawling through the swiki was in order. I?ve updated a couple of pages relating to SARs to (hopefully) make them a touch more useful these days, and just tried loading the very old SARBuilder package from SqueakMap. Don?t forget that you have to hit the menu in the top-left list of the Squeakmap tool in order to turn off the filtering that makes it invisible since it isn?t thoroughly up to date.
It installs ok after using Preferences to allow underscores as assignment; so there is one update needed in the code. It even appears to run its example (SARChangeSetDumper class>>example1) ok. However, it clearly needs some updates to make it a better citizen; for example it completely overwrites the ChangeSorter>>changeSetMenu:shifted: method.
I don?t have any time to clean it up right now since I have a release to assemble for about 7 million Pi?s. It seems like it might be a relatively simple fixup to make an old tool usable once more.
tim
tim Rowledge; tim@rowledge.org; http://www.rowledge.org/tim Strange OpCodes: RLB: Ruin Logic Board
And why do not take my idea of have a Monticello thing what mimics .sar ?
I have working demos on Squeak 5.0, if time lets record a short video and upload to YouTube this week end.
On Aug 27, 2015, at 10:19 PM, David T. Lewis lewis@mail.msen.com wrote:
Base support for SAR formats should definitely be supported. I don't know why we lost it, but I do exactly what you did - load the old code when I need it, for example to support UTCDateAndTime http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/6197 for which a SAR distribution is the only thing could possible work.
So yes, someone should pick up the important bits and put them back into trunk.
Dave
On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 05:59:01PM -0700, tim Rowledge wrote:
I?m looking into using .sar files as a way of delivering Scratch device driver stuff for the Raspberry Pi. It?s been more than a few years since I last had to think about SARs (actually from my emails it looks like 2004 was the last time!) so a bit of trawling through the swiki was in order. I?ve updated a couple of pages relating to SARs to (hopefully) make them a touch more useful these days, and just tried loading the very old SARBuilder package from SqueakMap. Don?t forget that you have to hit the menu in the top-left list of the Squeakmap tool in order to turn off the filtering that makes it invisible since it isn?t thoroughly up to date.
It installs ok after using Preferences to allow underscores as assignment; so there is one update needed in the code. It even appears to run its example (SARChangeSetDumper class>>example1) ok. However, it clearly needs some updates to make it a better citizen; for example it completely overwrites the ChangeSorter>>changeSetMenu:shifted: method.
I don?t have any time to clean it up right now since I have a release to assemble for about 7 million Pi?s. It seems like it might be a relatively simple fixup to make an old tool usable once more.
tim
tim Rowledge; tim@rowledge.org; http://www.rowledge.org/tim Strange OpCodes: RLB: Ruin Logic Board
On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 04:51:36AM -0300, Edgar De Cleene wrote:
And why do not take my idea of have a Monticello thing what mimics .sar ?
I have working demos on Squeak 5.0, if time lets record a short video and upload to YouTube this week end.
Sorry Edgar, I did not remember it. I would be interested to see a video.
Thanks, Dave
On Aug 27, 2015, at 10:19 PM, David T. Lewis lewis@mail.msen.com wrote:
Base support for SAR formats should definitely be supported. I don't know why we lost it, but I do exactly what you did - load the old code when I need it, for example to support UTCDateAndTime http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/6197 for which a SAR distribution is the only thing could possible work.
So yes, someone should pick up the important bits and put them back into trunk.
Dave
On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 05:59:01PM -0700, tim Rowledge wrote:
I?m looking into using .sar files as a way of delivering Scratch device driver stuff for the Raspberry Pi. It?s been more than a few years since I last had to think about SARs (actually from my emails it looks like 2004 was the last time!) so a bit of trawling through the swiki was in order. I?ve updated a couple of pages relating to SARs to (hopefully) make them a touch more useful these days, and just tried loading the very old SARBuilder package from SqueakMap. Don?t forget that you have to hit the menu in the top-left list of the Squeakmap tool in order to turn off the filtering that makes it invisible since it isn?t thoroughly up to date.
It installs ok after using Preferences to allow underscores as assignment; so there is one update needed in the code. It even appears to run its example (SARChangeSetDumper class>>example1) ok. However, it clearly needs some updates to make it a better citizen; for example it completely overwrites the ChangeSorter>>changeSetMenu:shifted: method.
I don?t have any time to clean it up right now since I have a release to assemble for about 7 million Pi?s. It seems like it might be a relatively simple fixup to make an old tool usable once more.
tim
tim Rowledge; tim@rowledge.org; http://www.rowledge.org/tim Strange OpCodes: RLB: Ruin Logic Board
Ok. I take it . And upload last and updated FunSqueak4.6. If you know how convert legacy or Cog .image to Spur.image , appreciate feedback Edgar
On Aug 28, 2015, at 9:14 AM, David T. Lewis lewis@mail.msen.com wrote:
On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 04:51:36AM -0300, Edgar De Cleene wrote:
And why do not take my idea of have a Monticello thing what mimics .sar ?
I have working demos on Squeak 5.0, if time lets record a short video and upload to YouTube this week end.
Sorry Edgar, I did not remember it. I would be interested to see a video.
Thanks, Dave
On Aug 27, 2015, at 10:19 PM, David T. Lewis lewis@mail.msen.com wrote:
Base support for SAR formats should definitely be supported. I don't know why we lost it, but I do exactly what you did - load the old code when I need it, for example to support UTCDateAndTime http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/6197 for which a SAR distribution is the only thing could possible work.
So yes, someone should pick up the important bits and put them back into trunk.
Dave
On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 05:59:01PM -0700, tim Rowledge wrote:
I?m looking into using .sar files as a way of delivering Scratch device driver stuff for the Raspberry Pi. It?s been more than a few years since I last had to think about SARs (actually from my emails it looks like 2004 was the last time!) so a bit of trawling through the swiki was in order. I?ve updated a couple of pages relating to SARs to (hopefully) make them a touch more useful these days, and just tried loading the very old SARBuilder package from SqueakMap. Don?t forget that you have to hit the menu in the top-left list of the Squeakmap tool in order to turn off the filtering that makes it invisible since it isn?t thoroughly up to date.
It installs ok after using Preferences to allow underscores as assignment; so there is one update needed in the code. It even appears to run its example (SARChangeSetDumper class>>example1) ok. However, it clearly needs some updates to make it a better citizen; for example it completely overwrites the ChangeSorter>>changeSetMenu:shifted: method.
I don?t have any time to clean it up right now since I have a release to assemble for about 7 million Pi?s. It seems like it might be a relatively simple fixup to make an old tool usable once more.
tim
tim Rowledge; tim@rowledge.org; http://www.rowledge.org/tim Strange OpCodes: RLB: Ruin Logic Board
On 28-08-2015, at 12:51 AM, Edgar De Cleene edgardec2005@gmail.com wrote:
And why do not take my idea of have a Monticello thing what mimics .sar ?
If you have a better solution, I’m all for using it. All I need is a way to be able to deliver some code/resources to users so they can use their shiny new SuperMegaHAT. That might mean ARM executable files, images, html files for the help system, sound files, whatever.
I wasn’t even aware that MC could handle non-code stuff, but then the list of things about MC that I am unaware of may as well be considered an uncountable infinite set.
tim -- tim Rowledge; tim@rowledge.org; http://www.rowledge.org/tim Strange OpCodes: MII: Mask all Interrupts and then Interrupt
The quick dirty how to
And Tim I say “Dave” in the video but is dedicated to all good people here
On Aug 28, 2015, at 1:46 PM, tim Rowledge tim@rowledge.org wrote:
On 28-08-2015, at 12:51 AM, Edgar De Cleene edgardec2005@gmail.com wrote:
And why do not take my idea of have a Monticello thing what mimics .sar ?
If you have a better solution, I’m all for using it. All I need is a way to be able to deliver some code/resources to users so they can use their shiny new SuperMegaHAT. That might mean ARM executable files, images, html files for the help system, sound files, whatever.
I wasn’t even aware that MC could handle non-code stuff, but then the list of things about MC that I am unaware of may as well be considered an uncountable infinite set.
tim
tim Rowledge; tim@rowledge.org; http://www.rowledge.org/tim Strange OpCodes: MII: Mask all Interrupts and then Interrupt
Good morning Edgar,
Thanks for the video. I followed your instructions, and now I am doing the Squeak puzzle with a big cup of coffee.
The Montecello extensions seem to work fine. Tim, you might want to take a look at this too. It would need merging into latest trunk but you can see how it works just by loading as in the video.
Dave
On Sat, Aug 29, 2015 at 07:31:50AM -0300, Edgar De Cleene wrote:
The quick dirty how to
And Tim I say ?Dave? in the video but is dedicated to all good people here
On Aug 28, 2015, at 1:46 PM, tim Rowledge tim@rowledge.org wrote:
On 28-08-2015, at 12:51 AM, Edgar De Cleene edgardec2005@gmail.com wrote:
And why do not take my idea of have a Monticello thing what mimics .sar ?
If you have a better solution, I?m all for using it. All I need is a way to be able to deliver some code/resources to users so they can use their shiny new SuperMegaHAT. That might mean ARM executable files, images, html files for the help system, sound files, whatever.
I wasn?t even aware that MC could handle non-code stuff, but then the list of things about MC that I am unaware of may as well be considered an uncountable infinite set.
tim
tim Rowledge; tim@rowledge.org; http://www.rowledge.org/tim Strange OpCodes: MII: Mask all Interrupts and then Interrupt
Muchos gratias Edgar
Au plaisir Raymond Asselin
Le 2015-08-29 à 06:31, Edgar De Cleene edgardec2005@gmail.com a écrit :
The quick dirty how to
And Tim I say “Dave” in the video but is dedicated to all good people here
On Aug 28, 2015, at 1:46 PM, tim Rowledge tim@rowledge.org wrote:
On 28-08-2015, at 12:51 AM, Edgar De Cleene edgardec2005@gmail.com wrote:
And why do not take my idea of have a Monticello thing what mimics .sar ?
If you have a better solution, I’m all for using it. All I need is a way to be able to deliver some code/resources to users so they can use their shiny new SuperMegaHAT. That might mean ARM executable files, images, html files for the help system, sound files, whatever.
I wasn’t even aware that MC could handle non-code stuff, but then the list of things about MC that I am unaware of may as well be considered an uncountable infinite set.
tim
tim Rowledge; tim@rowledge.org; http://www.rowledge.org/tim Strange OpCodes: MII: Mask all Interrupts and then Interrupt
Sure you could made good use of this, and thanks for your music
On Aug 29, 2015, at 11:29, Raymond Asselin jgr.asselin@me.com wrote:
Muchos gratias Edgar
Au plaisir Raymond Asselin
Le 2015-08-29 à 06:31, Edgar De Cleene edgardec2005@gmail.com a écrit :
The quick dirty how to
And Tim I say “Dave” in the video but is dedicated to all good people here
On Aug 28, 2015, at 1:46 PM, tim Rowledge tim@rowledge.org wrote:
On 28-08-2015, at 12:51 AM, Edgar De Cleene edgardec2005@gmail.com wrote:
And why do not take my idea of have a Monticello thing what mimics .sar ?
If you have a better solution, I’m all for using it. All I need is a way to be able to deliver some code/resources to users so they can use their shiny new SuperMegaHAT. That might mean ARM executable files, images, html files for the help system, sound files, whatever.
I wasn’t even aware that MC could handle non-code stuff, but then the list of things about MC that I am unaware of may as well be considered an uncountable infinite set.
tim
tim Rowledge; tim@rowledge.org; http://www.rowledge.org/tim Strange OpCodes: MII: Mask all Interrupts and then Interrupt
What about adding Edgar's extension of PackageInfo and Monticello to allow resources (jpg, png, mp3) to be added to mcz files?
--Hannes
On 8/30/15, Edgar De Cleene edgardec2005@gmail.com wrote:
Sure you could made good use of this, and thanks for your music
On Aug 29, 2015, at 11:29, Raymond Asselin jgr.asselin@me.com wrote:
Muchos gratias Edgar
Au plaisir Raymond Asselin
Le 2015-08-29 à 06:31, Edgar De Cleene edgardec2005@gmail.com a écrit :
The quick dirty how to
And Tim I say “Dave” in the video but is dedicated to all good people here
On Aug 28, 2015, at 1:46 PM, tim Rowledge tim@rowledge.org wrote:
On 28-08-2015, at 12:51 AM, Edgar De Cleene edgardec2005@gmail.com wrote:
And why do not take my idea of have a Monticello thing what mimics .sar ?
If you have a better solution, I’m all for using it. All I need is a way to be able to deliver some code/resources to users so they can use their shiny new SuperMegaHAT. That might mean ARM executable files, images, html files for the help system, sound files, whatever.
I wasn’t even aware that MC could handle non-code stuff, but then the list of things about MC that I am unaware of may as well be considered an uncountable infinite set.
tim
tim Rowledge; tim@rowledge.org; http://www.rowledge.org/tim Strange OpCodes: MII: Mask all Interrupts and then Interrupt
Hi Tim, the "MaSarBuilder" package on SqueakMap works in the version of Squeak it is declared to run in. And, since SAR files are just zip files, it doesn't really NEED to run in the latest Squeak to produce SAR files for the latest Squeak. It includes a Maui-based UI to walk you through each step of the SAR building process, with drag-n-drop UI.
HTH.
On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 7:59 PM, tim Rowledge tim@rowledge.org wrote:
I’m looking into using .sar files as a way of delivering Scratch device driver stuff for the Raspberry Pi. It’s been more than a few years since I last had to think about SARs (actually from my emails it looks like 2004 was the last time!) so a bit of trawling through the swiki was in order. I’ve updated a couple of pages relating to SARs to (hopefully) make them a touch more useful these days, and just tried loading the very old SARBuilder package from SqueakMap. Don’t forget that you have to hit the menu in the top-left list of the Squeakmap tool in order to turn off the filtering that makes it invisible since it isn’t thoroughly up to date.
It installs ok after using Preferences to allow underscores as assignment; so there is one update needed in the code. It even appears to run its example (SARChangeSetDumper class>>example1) ok. However, it clearly needs some updates to make it a better citizen; for example it completely overwrites the ChangeSorter>>changeSetMenu:shifted: method.
I don’t have any time to clean it up right now since I have a release to assemble for about 7 million Pi’s. It seems like it might be a relatively simple fixup to make an old tool usable once more.
tim
tim Rowledge; tim@rowledge.org; http://www.rowledge.org/tim Strange OpCodes: RLB: Ruin Logic Board
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