Howdy, Any indication when Squeak 3.1 for the Macintosh is going to be available? cheers, Roger.....
"Roger Vossler" rvossler@qwest.net queried...
Any indication when Squeak 3.1 for the Macintosh is going to be available? cheers, Roger.....
Glad you asked... ;-).
As soon as someone else shows some interest in it. It began with Stephane Ducasse writing to me,
I was wondering if it would not be wise to have an official version of Squeak now. Like that we can have the time to work on the new versions with modules.
Else the module process from my experience may take some time and having a new version now could be referred as the version before the modules. Especially because 3.0 was put together in a hurry and is not really good for demoes and the like. For example I'm writing columns and I'm referring to 2.8 because 3.0 has broken examples and I would love to move to 3.1. In addition this also give a new release which is good (like microsoft) people have to upgrade. As an example I could put 3.1 on the cd with the article and say the new Squeak ;).
I then went through the whole process of closing off the 3.1 update stream, inserting updates for converting to 3.1beta or 3.2alpha. I also set up a mechanism for forwarding selected 3.2 updates (ie bug fixes) into the 3.1beta stream so we could clean up any last-minute bugs in 3.1. I wrote the following message to everyone on the Squeak-dev list on October 3:
About 3.1beta... I have set up a very simple mechanism for easing 3.1 into stability if we follow a couple of guidelines. I would like it if some affinity group would form around the notion of a stable 3.1 release. They can then flag various 3.2alpha updates as being candidates for 3.1beta. These should be only those that will make the system MORE STABLE. I will then accept a list of numbers (being the numbers of such updates), and issue exactly those updates into the 3.1beta stream. The stable release crew can then test again, fix bugs, etc., until we think were stable. Then I will go through the usual process of cleaning up changeSets, changes files, etc, and we'll have a release.
In a flash, Henrik Gedenryd Henrik.Gedenryd@lucs.lu.se wrote:
Squeak3.1beta-4411.zip is ready.
and Bruce ONeel beoneel@bluewin.ch replied within the day:
Thanks very much. It's up on the ftp site in 3.0/unstable-testPilot.
Since then I have heard not a peep from Stephane or anyone else on the list -- nada, zilch, in other words, a perfect vacuum -- until your message.
It's all set up, ready for beta test as it has been for four (count 'em) weeks. If anyone is interested, read what I wrote, and together (ahem) we can release Squeak 3.1.
Thanks - Dan
Hi Dan, Thanks for the info. The thing that prompted my rant was nervousness about what is likely to happen with Squeak 3.2, and beyond, as everyone slices, dices, refactors, modularizes, and does whatever else it takes with respect to the attempt to componentize Squeak. It seems that Squeak 3.1 could be the last monolithic, Morphic version of the beast, much in the same sense that Squeak 2.8 was the last monolithic, MVC version. It gives everyone a chance to stop, relax, and take a deep breath before charging off in a new direction. While I have a lot of experience with computers, my Squeak skills are pretty meager at this point, but growing, else I'd try to help with this. Cheers, Roger.....
Dan Ingalls wrote:
"Roger Vossler" rvossler@qwest.net queried...
Any indication when Squeak 3.1 for the Macintosh is going to be available? cheers, Roger.....
Glad you asked... ;-).
As soon as someone else shows some interest in it. It began with Stephane Ducasse writing to me,
I was wondering if it would not be wise to have an official version of Squeak now. Like that we can have the time to work on the new versions with modules.
Else the module process from my experience may take some time and having a new version now could be referred as the version before the modules. Especially because 3.0 was put together in a hurry and is not really good for demoes and the like. For example I'm writing columns and I'm referring to 2.8 because 3.0 has broken examples and I would love to move to 3.1. In addition this also give a new release which is good (like microsoft) people have to upgrade. As an example I could put 3.1 on the cd with the article and say the new Squeak ;).
I then went through the whole process of closing off the 3.1 update stream, inserting updates for converting to 3.1beta or 3.2alpha. I also set up a mechanism for forwarding selected 3.2 updates (ie bug fixes) into the 3.1beta stream so we could clean up any last-minute bugs in 3.1. I wrote the following message to everyone on the Squeak-dev list on October 3:
About 3.1beta... I have set up a very simple mechanism for easing 3.1 into stability if we follow a couple of guidelines. I would like it if some affinity group would form around the notion of a stable 3.1 release. They can then flag various 3.2alpha updates as being candidates for 3.1beta. These should be only those that will make the system MORE STABLE. I will then accept a list of numbers (being the numbers of such updates), and issue exactly those updates into the 3.1beta stream. The stable release crew can then test again, fix bugs, etc., until we think were stable. Then I will go through the usual process of cleaning up changeSets, changes files, etc, and we'll have a release.
In a flash, Henrik Gedenryd Henrik.Gedenryd@lucs.lu.se wrote:
Squeak3.1beta-4411.zip is ready.
and Bruce ONeel beoneel@bluewin.ch replied within the day:
Thanks very much. It's up on the ftp site in 3.0/unstable-testPilot.
Since then I have heard not a peep from Stephane or anyone else on the list -- nada, zilch, in other words, a perfect vacuum -- until your message.
It's all set up, ready for beta test as it has been for four (count 'em) weeks. If anyone is interested, read what I wrote, and together (ahem) we can release Squeak 3.1.
Thanks - Dan
In a flash, Henrik Gedenryd Henrik.Gedenryd@lucs.lu.se wrote:
Squeak3.1beta-4411.zip is ready.
and Bruce ONeel beoneel@bluewin.ch replied within the day:
Thanks very much. It's up on the ftp site in 3.0/unstable-testPilot.
Since then I have heard not a peep from Stephane or anyone else on the list -- nada, zilch, in other words, a perfect vacuum -- until your message.
Hi Dan I'm back from holidays (too short and too long in the same time).
I was not aware that we have to ask for it ;). We are finishing this book and yes I would love to have a version 3.1.
So what should I do? I work with the beta since a while and got no special problems except a missing call in SUnit TestResources>>setUp should be called from the TestResources>>initialize ;) Should I send it?
Stef
It's all set up, ready for beta test as it has been for four (count 'em) weeks. If anyone is interested, read what I wrote, and together (ahem) we can release Squeak 3.1.
Thanks
- Dan
Hi dan
here is the fix for SUnit 30 now TestResources>>initialize called TestResources>>setUp
and I will not have to say in the book that there was a bug ;)
Thanks Stef
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